It seems a bit soon but I see a PR update

Yes, some sites of mine that went to white bar accross the board last Oct. now have all page rank back. Serp positions have never changed by the way.

I see a white bar for two of my new sites.

Is that penalties lifting? That was mentioned as going to happen.

I think I was being penalized for the way I have my out going links as "do follow" and I believe that these penalties were finally lifted. So looks like to me that this was a very slow PR update as nobody is responding to this thread. My niche(s) must be some of the last to see the penalty lift from "visible PR". ?

I still have the same "do follow outbound links" but I have never had that many as they are only links to help the user (I have never worried about PR leaks or designed a site to gain Google PR).

No serp changes as these sites stay at the top for major keyword phrases including "site links".

But this visible PR update is for real happening right now in a few niches that I'm checking.

I saw back links change today on one of our sites.

It looks like a PR penalty lifting. At least this happened to one of my sites which sold links. No change on my white hat sites.

It's unclear if it is "penalty lifting" related. The site when from PR 2 down to 1. It's an ecomm site, little less that one year old, and very few IB links (it has no outbound links).

Another site I have was penalized for a long time and started to come back a couple of weeks ago... visible PR on this site is seeing no change.

BL's have bounced around a bit as well.

Here it also looks like a PR penalty lifting. One site was sent down to 2 and is back again at 4. No changes had been made over years. Only steady, organic inbound links.

All other sites remained on the previous PR.

What is everyone seeing with this update? My sites haven't gained at all. We went from 4 to 3 a couple of weeks ago and haven't bounced back.

I haven't seen any changes. I merely asked a (rhetorical) question of those that have.

Not seeing any new PR on 'recently' (July) added pages.

There is no such thing as "do follow".

There's a rel="no follow" attribute, and there are links without it.

i got a white bar for my new site

No changes to the PR on my sites.

nofollow not no follow ... isn't it?

Our sites that had changes were white hat. They were all ecom sites with no penalties. Rankings are the same as they always have been.

Hi there,

I'm new to things SEO but this seems very strange. 8 out of the top 10 sites for some of our most used keywords have Zero PR. White Bar on all 8 top listed sites.

Not to mention our number 1, 2 and or 3 ranked pages have all fallen off to #20 to #30 in ranking.

hello Jim - welcome to the forums.

White Bar on all 8 top listed sites.

Now that is very strange. Sounds a lot like some kind of buggy data, especially because you are seeing a white bar and not a gray one.

Yep, here's a break down of the reported PR of the top 10 listed sites. There is one Gray Bar, and the one site that's PR 4/10 is in the UK. I'm in Chicago.

1. White Bar
2. White Bar
3. 1/10
4. White Bar
5. White Bar
6. 4/10
7. Gray Bar
8. White Bar
9. 1/10
10. White Bar

[edited by: tedster at 7:18 pm (utc) on Aug. 26, 2008]

Yeah, it is rel="nofollow" - no space.

All this junk talk about "do follow" has scrambled my brain.

Jim, I've thought some more and those white bars may not imply buggy PR data at all - depending on the situation.

One way is if the search term does not show many total results (say 6 figures or less) and the results that Google does return are internal urls rather than home pages/domain roots. At any rate, it should give you hope that you can compete well to see all those white bars in the SERPs.

I had a blog go from pr 4 to 5 but still bouncing back and forth a bit

There was a minor update. I believe it was to formerly penalized sites. I have a client who had outbound links on his homepage that were obviously mistaken for sold links (he doesn't sell links) but he got demoted last update, and his pages just now got pagerank within the last two weeks.

There was a minor update. I believe it was to formerly penalized sites

I'm going to keep a wait and see attitude for now, but, if this is an update that's going to last it's not a minor one. We use a very popular php driven shipping cart and Google used to love our cart's pages. Now they're gone! We still have good ranking on our older static pages. But the money pages have dropped 20-30 spots.

Jim, your talking about actual search rankings - that's not the same thing as PageRank.