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Looking up what I used to rank for approx 20,00 medium to long phrases then all top listing just disappeared BUT results can now only be described as awful - in fact on one query results 11-20 contained sites from Poland, Germany, Czech, .info and not a single .com or .co.uk - when will Google admit that they really screwed up big time this time?
As my site is a .com hosted on uk servers then it seems that I have now moved to the index for Mars. Time to move to the dark side methinks rather than stay in the Google lottery.
[edited by: tedster at 7:08 pm (utc) on June 6, 2008]
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I discovered that the NY Times has a link which is nice, but there are quite a few .cn sites saying source www.ourdomain.com and other sites which don't look right. I even clicked on one and it said it had been hacked by Turkish hackers, another tried to download a trojan but Macafee stopped it and popped up the altert.
Wev'e also been getting for months now emails sent via or contact form full of nonsense and links to URL's which I presume are dodgy so we always delete them. Not sure if this is anything to do with it though
Sorry to whinge on but just I'm just trying to find out why 50% of our traffic from google has dropped off and I don't know what wev'e done wrong.
If I know I can fix it.
Seems to me that this site which has held rock solid since 2003 has now been had some sort of penalty applied.
The site is clean and has had very little seo over the past few years. Perhaps it has 2-3 new links added per month on related sites.
This problematic keyword in question previously had a bounce rate of 30%. However, for the past few months this bounce rate has increased to 41%. (source: Google Analytics)
In comparison, for the site's main, more specific keywords the site has an average bounce rate of 17%. To date these keywords remain unaffected by the latest changes.
As this is such a sharp drop in the serps which can't be attributed to link exchanges or the competition I have a feeling this has something to do with bounce rate and/or click through rate for a specific search term with high bounce rate and/or click
I don't want to draw any conclusions at this stage but I have the feeling that Google has turned up the dial on click-through/bounce rates especially on older more established sites.
I also notice that we have bounce rates on key terms as high as 78%. These pages are somewhat related to our site but only as brief information pages relating to our services. This page seems to remain unaffected but it worth to note that the key terms of this page with a 78% bounce rate have no competitive or commercial value.
I would ask those affected by these latest changes to check their bounce rates over the past 6 months for those affected keywords.
I would also suggest posting here where your site now appears in the serps for those affected keywords.
In my case it's the position 70 penalty.
So ... on-site factors are probably the key ...
[edited by: SEOPTI at 2:17 pm (utc) on June 10, 2008]
Site is in hosted in USA, about USA. Content is pretty static, maybe 10 or 15 minor changes and updates in a week. Decent inbound links. No bought links whatsoever. Site has been growing naturally for 2 years. Now it's toast. Had Adsense on most pages.
Someone might have already mentioned this, but for my main term, the total number of results (& top 10) listed in Google have not changed since June 4th. This is really odd...for months it had been changing several times a day.
What could be the possible reason for this ?
Another thing: I used to rank very well for a highly competitive keyword. When using google.ro, I am nowhere to be found for that keyword, however I rank #1 when using Google.com. Very odd!
[edited by: StudioWorks at 7:41 am (utc) on June 11, 2008]
There's lots of reading material related to various penalties in the Hot Topics [webmasterworld.com], which is always pinned to the top of this forum's index page. you may find some inspiration there.
[edited by: tedster at 12:08 pm (utc) on June 11, 2008]
However, I dont understand why I still rank #1 for my most important keyword on google.com and on Google.ro i am on the #130 position ( managed to find my site there just now ).
I imagine many of you also buy at least some paid search traffic as well. In that case, would you say the results of this organic ranking change will affect your paid search traffic buying?
Also, I have witnessed many smaller businesses in the UK that have suffered as a result of Google's instabilities go and spend themselves out of existence to try to gain more business to pay for the fixed costs of their business. Organic traffic helps keep business costs down!
A business with high fixed costs should clearly not depend solely on organic traffic but my very low fixed costs mean that I can achieve a ROI of between 1,000 to 25,000 percent normally, if I can get the organic traffic. It still hurts when your ROI goes from 25,000 to 1,000!
Hecate, Greek Goddess of The Crossroads - I would even recommend reading about Hecate and you will find that she fits the bill perfectly (including the references to her three headed dogs!).
She knew what the rest of us did not.
[edited by: confuscius at 6:42 pm (utc) on June 11, 2008]
One factor that makes this moment a bit different from other times when many sites noticed a loss of traffic is that many are thrown from a stable position into a kind of ranking roller coaster. Quite a chaotic situation.
I'm not sure if this is a Google algorithm update or it is some kind of penalty. What do you think?
Recently I've sold two paid links to unknown advertisers, could it cause this? Besides that, I didn't change anything to the site except the regular update...
How long do these penalties or updates usually last? Will it ever come back?
I used to get around 300-400 Google text searches, and more than 7-8K from images. Since June 5th, I'm getting referrals from Google text only with rare phrases, where my website and may be another one are the only results, or search using the domain name. Site is PR5, 55K pages cached in Google, natural links appear everyday, no outbound links except few from the weblog section pinging other posts. No incoming paid links from anywhere.
The text in the pages is mainly composed of page titles and tags entered by visitors. If one views the page as text, it won't make sense in terms of grammar or English - in case they tried to validate text meaning.
Those are my websites symptoms.
From my experience over the years with some similar updates. The quick answer is no, it will probably never come back.
In the past 5 years, I think this is the fourth major update that has thrown my site into chaos...on average about once a year. My site has rebounded every time, and when it comes back the traffic is always higher than before the update. The longest I've ever had to wait is 3 months...and that was after I was hit by the -950 penalty last spring.
1) you can handle adding new concepts to your site
2) most "surfers" enjoy other people "live" opinions when looking around the net
anyway...I have avoided web 2.0 concepts in to my sites for many reasons...having to review and update all the time (a lot more work) and I truly feel that just supplying great, helpful content should be enough for the long term in SEO
But your point is well taken for me...web 2.0 applications are very popular and I would not doubt if it is a new concept for filters and algo by Google to weed out sites....Black hatters are very lazy (at giving the net what they should) and white hatters keep up with the needed trends to stay alive long term...
so it would make sence that sites not keeping up could get some new filters and in the end perhaps Google is testing new 2.0 algo's which somehow went a bit mad causing all this mess for many...
maybe I am being crazy...but it sort of makes a bit of sence...way to many "really good sites" seem to be going down on this one...
It has been a few months now for me to confirm that this is not just a fluke...something a bit bigger is going on with this one....