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Jumping Results And Allintext - different datacenter values for onpage text?

         

flanok

3:42 pm on May 20, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Hi
A few facts before my question

One of my sites has spent a lot of time at mid second page positions for many months, up to about 3 months ago.

Also for a while now I have been monitoring my allintitle, allinanchor, allinurl and allintext results.(I know they don't create the final position result)

My weakness had always been the allintext command. On the other Allins,i am always shown first page for my chosen search term

The allintext command, however never shows my site in the top 100 against the others "allins" always in top 10.

Then

About 3 months ago, my site started to bounce between second page and first page. 5 to 15, 15 back to 5.
I know many of you have had similar experiences.

This then occured again yesterday.

However yesterday whilst I was on the first page I did an "allin" test and for the first time I saw my site in the top ten (7) for the command allintext as well as the rest of the allins.

This morning, my site went back to postion 14. But so did the allintext command result.(back to somewhere lower than position 100)

This raises some questions for me.
Instead of thinking different data centers, different link values etc, I am now thinking google is measuring my allintext value differently, to establish different results. ( or the factors that make up the allintext result)

(The other allins just showed an improvement of one or two postitions. But the allintext had moved from not being in the top 100 to number 7 and then back again)

I can understand how different datacentres may have diferent values, or qualtities, locations etc, for external factors such as incomming links.

I cannot understand how a different data centers would have different values for onpage text. Yet the results yesterday suggests that is happening in some form

So I was looking for somefeedback on why this could be.
Or idealy someone else (who is experienceing this bouncing results) to measure these allin factors before and after to establish if there is a huge results in the allintext command.

If this is established we have a better idea of the factors that make you a jumping bean or a static bean.

Mark

tedster

7:33 pm on May 20, 2008 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



I've got one particular "jumping" search term that matters a lot to me, and you've got me watching allintext: now - something I never did before. So far today I've seen two ranking changes for the regular search, but no obvious changes for the allintext: operator results. I'll try to keep watching this - it's an interesting question.

bluntforce

3:11 am on May 21, 2008 (gmt 0)

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My observations have been almost exactly parallel to flanok on several different pages. I modified problem pages by:
increasing keyword density to very high percentages
decreasing keyword density under 1%
changing keyword prominence
duplicating non problem page keyword position
duplicating top ranked site page keyword position

Over a period of months, with many page variations and no changes in allintext position, I came to the conclusion that allintext wasn't necessarily what many people have stated it was. I now tend to believe there are external influences to allintext, not strictly onpage factors.

bluntforce

7:05 am on May 21, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Just to throw another observation into the mix, there's a plural search term that typically provides somewhere around 44MM results. When I search GG for that term, I'll sometimes show on the first page. But, if I go to second page results, then click back to first page results, I'll always show towards the bottom of that first page.

That would kind of indicate to me that user behavior can/will influence serps.

flanok

9:04 pm on May 24, 2008 (gmt 0)

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The results have occurred twice again in the last 4 days.

The last time was the day before yesterday, when i went into the first page, but only at number 9 this time.

My allintext result came from nowhere to number 13.

The keyword postion has again fallen to 15 and my allintext operator result disapeared from the top 100.

I fully believe something that makes up the allintext operator is either controlling or being controlled by this jumping effect.

The allintext operator is sometimes seen as unimportant, but i am now going to dedicate some time with experiments and review the competition (who have mainly static results)to see if there is an external changing factor within this operator.

Or if the on page text can be measured differently at different times.

tedster

11:44 pm on May 24, 2008 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



I fully believe something that makes up the allintext operator is either controlling or being controlled by this jumping effect.

I think there's also a chance that there's some third factor that's changing both. I'm beginning to watch the allinanchor: results and also &filter=0 results for the regular search - to see how they shift when rankings jump around. But since I decided to try this, there has been no jumping, so I've online got baselines and nothing to report.

physics

5:00 pm on Jun 21, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Anything new to report on this? I'm seeing this effect and it's very frustrating. Another site is sitting at about #4 (the higher results are untouchable due to massive amounts of relevant inlinks) but ranks #1 for the allintext: search. One thing to note is that my site has a lot more text (all relevant), but about 47k vs 9k. Has anyone noticed a size effect?