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10:44 pm on Jul 31, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Looks like the 'supplemental results' indicator is gone from my Google 'site:' query.

This is on the default datacenter. I still see it on some other datacenters

11:57 pm on Jul 31, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Yes, it's gone.
11:59 pm on Jul 31, 2007 (gmt 0)

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No, still there.
12:02 am on Aug 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Try 72.14.253.104
12:34 am on Aug 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Unfortunately, the Supplemental Results tag is gone for me at that IP address.
12:47 am on Aug 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

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With this syntax, I'm still seeing it on the default data center(s) returned in the San Francisco area...

site:example.com/&

12:47 am on Aug 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

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That IP address is the default for me in western U.S. right now. So probably not just a quick experiment? Darn.
1:23 am on Aug 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Yes, it's gone. There was an announcement [googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com] about it on the Official Google Webmaster Central Blog.

Despite the lack of an indicator, the supplemental index still exists with all of the resulting problems for the pages stuck in it. My pages in the supplemental index don't rank for anything and have had their images removed from Google image search, so being labeled supplemental, whether it's visible or not, still does matter.

1:37 am on Aug 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Thanks iridiax, most important part for me is: "over the course of the summer".
2:02 am on Aug 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I dont think this is working properly

site:example.com/&

if I do a site:example.com
I get exactly 100 LESS results than if I put the amphersand.

for example sake... lets say I have 5000 total pages
if I do
site:example.com/&
I get 5100

if I do
site:example.com/
I get 5000

It's showing more than I have and we do not have duplication issues

3:09 am on Aug 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Yes, it's gone. I can't find it in my site
5:02 am on Aug 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Here's a quote from the link that iridiax provided. It's pretty much what we though was coming - Supplemental Index information will not available to webmasters anymore:

...Supplemental Results are fresher and more comprehensive than ever. We're also working towards showing more Supplemental Results by ensuring that every query is able to search the supplemental index, and expect to roll this out over the course of the summer.

The distinction between the main and the supplemental index is therefore continuing to narrow. Given all the progress that we've been able to make so far, and thinking ahead to future improvements, we've decided to stop labeling these URLs as "Supplemental Results."

[googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com...]

5:28 am on Aug 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

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This is not a true statement:

Of course, you will continue to benefit from Google's supplemental index being deeper and fresher.
6:18 am on Aug 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

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If Google does not tag it anymore, how can we detect and improve the quality of those supplemental-indexed pages?
6:21 am on Aug 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Hi,

What is a supplemental index?

How to differentiate between a supplemental index than a non-supplemental index from the Google search?

site:www.yoursite.com
site:www.yoursite.com *** -sljktf

I used both the queries above and it returns all the pages of my website. Does this mean my entire site is in supplemental?

6:32 am on Aug 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

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PowerUp, that second search stopped returning supplementals a few days ago. See [webmasterworld.com...]

The alternative search mentioned later on in that thread site:example.com/& still returns the same urls that it did before - but now the Supplemental label is gone. It still looks to me that it returns supplemental urls -- at least for now. Maybe not all, and maybe some of those urls have both supplemental and regular spots with different cache dates or whatever -- but the urls returned by the search do seem to be the weakest on the domain. And it still seems to work for subdirectories as well.

6:40 am on Aug 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Awesome...
7:23 am on Aug 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Main index pages have been returned to a cached version here. No supplementals before so I don't know if that changed.
9:00 am on Aug 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

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One step forward by the Googlers
9:07 am on Aug 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

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If the "supplemental" results are gone forever leaving webmasters who used them to improve their site with one less tool, is it not time that we build a better tool?

The site:example.com works well, it really wouldn't be that hard to write a program that when run checks googles results against a sitemap and returns a list of pages google didn't include.

Would this be of value to anyone? More importantly perhaps, would Google grant an api for such a program?

Edit: this is assuming the supp pages are omited, if they are included but not labeled... thats a whole new problem. I'll admit, this would stop webmasters from upgrading pages based on supplemental result listings.

[edited by: JS_Harris at 9:10 am (utc) on Aug. 1, 2007]

10:28 am on Aug 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Let me put it like this.

By keeping the supplemental index, while preventing webmasters from viewing which pages are supplementals, Google has been "modified" to a new search engine with motto:

What You See ISN'T What You Get :-)

11:31 am on Aug 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Once the site: search modifiers to view supplemental pages stop working, this is going to make it even more difficult to analyze why page(s) don't ranking well.
11:36 am on Aug 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Interesting move! I am not sure, if this is FOR the user or AGAINST exaggerating SEOs.

P!

11:58 am on Aug 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

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In your site is registered with Google, a check on internal links in Google's Webmasters Tools shows a list of pages. If the page isn't there its almost cetainly supplemental.
12:40 pm on Aug 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Has anyone noticed any traffic changes since this change? Some of my sites that were heavily supplemental are doing a little better now as of yesterday. Probably just coincidence?
1:00 pm on Aug 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

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It is still so simple to figure out what is supp and what isnt that if you cant you should not call yourself a seo or webmaster.
1:25 pm on Aug 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

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drall


It is still so simple to figure out what is supp and what isnt ...

Would like to share with the rest of us how do you figure out what is supp and what isn't ;-)

1:40 pm on Aug 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

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HarryM
Your statement is incorrect I have a supplemental issue and this showns nothing to show if it is supplemental or not. My page number is the same before google discontinued the supplemental index in webmaster tools.

Google has a reason for doing this I would really like the reason for this change.

As far as being an SEO I guess I am not as I can't quite find a solution knowing what pages are supplemental or not.

Sure wish the SEO Man here would let us all know as I assume he knows...

1:40 pm on Aug 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

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No one has mentioned:

site:www.example.com/*

That seemed to return only the non-supplementals before the tagging change, and the results seem the same now. Isn't that good enough?

1:52 pm on Aug 1, 2007 (gmt 0)

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...we've decided to stop labeling these URLs as "Supplemental Results."

I say, "YAY"

Now if they could get rid of the, "Your search - did not match any documents."

Which is hard to believe, that no one in 6 billion pages has mentioned my search phrase once, and Yahoo can find one easily.

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