Proof of no sandbox

New website ranking number 1 for many medium keyphrases.

[wariental]

I created a website on 06-Mar-2006. Its got about 120 pages indexed in google.

When I started this website I told myself not to focus on google but instead msn and yahoo because of the "sandbox" but after today I do not think that a sandbox really exists.

The domain is brand new, thats a little under two months and I am ranking number 1 for a lot of 3 word keyphrases(that are actualy bringing in traffic) , some with 30+ million results. Non of these pages have more than 30 backlinks and they are all internal website links. The main domain only has 80 (unique ip) backlinks.

I believe that many people who are experiencing the "sandbox" effect are triggering some sort of redflag from gaining backlinks at an unnatural pace by either buying links or joining linking networks.

Anyone else seeing the same thing with their new website?

[MLHmptn]

Okay...that's nice....Now try a TWO WORD keyphrase and get back to us.

Not to be harsh, but three word phrases are not as competitive as two word phrases.

And on another note, sometimes the sandbox doesn't kick in until a few months pass.

[texasville]

No...three word is fine. But where are these 80 ibl's from? cbs, msn, fox? U of H? And, let's see if it lasts for another 4 weeks.

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[minnapple]

wariental,

I would be interested to hear how your are doing another 30 days.

[grant]

I have had my new sites rank well initially, then drop.

Here is what I think is happening, which is what I call the flattening effect of PageRank iterations.

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[Web_speed]

And on another note, sometimes the sandbox doesn't kick in until a few months pass.

yep!

[percentages]

wariental,

You are on the money.....there is no "sandbox" as such!

There are other influences, which are easy to blame on the "sandbox" effect if you happen to be lazy.

I start several new sites per month, have done that for years. I don't see a sandbox. Google occassionally spots some of my "Black Hat" sites, but, that is acceptable, if you cheat you expect to get caught once in a while!

When I get caught for cheating I prefer to fold the hand and move on.....not complain forever about unfair dealing ;)

This is just a game.....the only way to win is to play the Percentages :)

[MLHmptn]

And I guess the next question would be.....Did wariental purchase an expired domain?

If not...Would you sign me up Wariental?! :>~

[digicam]

My experience is that my first site was definitely sandboxed, it did nothing for several months and nothing shifted it.

My second site which started in Jan06 did not seem to be sandboxed at all.

[john alphaone]

Wariental, is the site in English? I've heard that the sandbox doesn't apply for sites written in, for example, Russian.

[mattg3]

Funnily enough a pal of mine claims persistently that he gets domains only listed if he advertises them with adwords.

Additionally a new site, that I used for a wee blogger.com blog suddenly and miracously appeared in the serps. While others seemed to be doomed forever while apearing within 4 days in msn. :\

[wariental]

The website domain is brand new as of March. The website is done in english and I do have adsense on all the pages , however, I do not advertise with adwords.

Another thing worth mentioning is that other than the very first time I went live I have not submitted my site to google and let them naturaly find me.

The reason I don't have 2 work keyphrases up on google is simply due to low backlinks. But the fact I have three word keyphrases all over google that bring in traffic is proof that there might be no sandbox.

[wariental]

Oops,

When I said main site has 80 unique ips that was msn, google only sees 39 of these backlinks.

131 pages indexed on msn
119 pages indexed on google

[jadebox]

New pages often get a "bump" towards the top of the SERPs. I think Google does this for two reasons. First, it puts topical information up top for the short period of time during which it is topical. Second, it gives them a chance to collect some statistics on the new page (i.e. through the Google toolbar) to determine where it should end up in the SERPs.

-- Roger

[phantombookman]

None of my most recent sites (over the last year) have been sandboxed.

That is not to say there is not a sandbox though, most serious people know there is.

Likewise people know how to avoid it. Even in the most aggressive areas a new site can avoid it.

On a side issue I wonder if there is a 'semi-sandbox' in operation?
Before SB meant nowhere in the SERPS, now I see some sites that will rank for the domain/site name but no internal pages or related searches.

I wondered whether Google started this so people could still find their sites, thus stemming critcism, sort of a public relations thing!

[FourDegreez]

I just came here to post about the same thing. I have a new site, barely a week old, few inbounds, and it's ranking page one for a rather competitive 3-word phrase. The three words in question don't even appear strung together on my page, so I obviously wasn't doing anything to target it. This kind of thing happens to me with MSN search, but never Google. Sandbox gone?

[SincerelySandy]

google only sees 39 of these backlinks

correction - google only shows 39 of these backlinks.
Google does not usually show you all the backlinks it sees, but that does not mean they are not being factored into the equation.

[moftary]

No sandbox - I always start like three or four sites a month.
They rank high for many competetive terms for a small period, some survive after that and some die for another reason called "penalty".

AFAIK, sandbox occurs for new sites. If many of us having their sites ranking well from day one, then there is no such thing called sandbox. Never heard of sandboxing after few months but hey what do i know!

[mc4210]

I have a new site (5 months old) that's in the sandbox, or rather, does not show up in the SERPS for a keyword where the No 2 result is a PR1 site that doesn't even have the kw in the title or description and only mentions it 2 times in the text, while my site is PR4 and is optimized specifically for that KW.

I've read many times that it takes patience and I should wait to get out of the sandbox, but unless a date comparison is hard-wired in Google's code, I'm sure there's something one can do to avoid it altogether. Could the fact that I'm publishing articles be seen as unnatural link building that triggers a penalty? And I must say that I write really good articles on the topic that get re-published on all sorts of sites :)

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[cerebrum]

Wariental, you are getting referrals from Google as no one is targetting that 3 word phrases. If many established sites target that three word phrases, then your fresh site will never rank in the top results.

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