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Any help appreciated.
Thanks
Keep adding good content, don't let it just sit and wait to get out of the sandbox. It's thought that Google might consider growth.
Keep adding good content, don't let it just sit and wait to get out of the sandbox.
This is good advice. Whilst suffering from the ageing delay your site continues to 'rank'. It is just absent from the search results. The real pro's continue to promote a site as if it were visible and doing well, which is the real trick. Once you are released you don't start from scratch, so it's important to act as if your site is doing ok and keep accumulating links and other promotional effects.
The really serious pro's just accept this as a normal part of the process. It takes all new sites quite some time to get established. In my view the ageing delay is just the start, as it seems to take 18 months for sites to get established now, even longer if you hang around waiting for Google.
I tell clients depending on category 6 months to a year.
Marketing starts the day you go live and doesn't stop.
One needs to advertise in order to grow business.
Work the site in forums blogs press releases viral seo ppc whatever it takes.
Add content often as you can. Chill on link building. Your better off with 10 high pr directory links one way to your site... than 100 recips that are not relevant.
OLD site, re-"sandboxed" due to stupid mistake of mine,
All sites since have avoided the sandbox
Last one went Google #1 one week after domain was bought
You say it went right to #1? for a keyword term or for a search of the site URL?
I would doubt it was for a keyword term unless the keyword term had competition under 1mil.
Of course, this number just indicates the pages that contain the term, and not the pages that are optimized for the term so 1 mil actually optimized pages is indeed competitive :)
I would like to ask you guys who posted above:
- #1 or simply 1st page results gave you how many clicks a day.
The reason why I am asking is that if this is a 3/4 clicks a day, whether it's 1million or 100 million results it can not be considered competitive in general.
I personnally always saw sites sandboxed (since the FL update) from 6 months to 12 months. Always.
All the competing pages in the world does not mean that is how a search term is used by everyday citizens.
For example 'computers'...very broad term and billions of competing pages but most people who are searching for something computer related will not type just computer into the search query and if they did...
they are not targeted buying visitors you want...they would be window shoppers.
Targeted buyers would type something like 'dell computers'
First position will draw approximately 50% - 60% of available clicks on the organic side.
Hope this helps
You say it went right to #1? for a keyword term or for a search of the site URL?I would doubt it was for a keyword term unless the keyword term had competition under 1mil.
I normally operate for main searches in the 20-30 million range. This one was just over 11 mill.
More importantly to me, internal pages are also ranking very well.
Using the number of returns as a guide to how competitive a search term is is fundamentally flawed.
What really matters is how aggressive the competition/seo is on the first few pages pages.
The number of returns, especially given how flawed the count is, can often be irrelevent.
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The competiteness of the keyphrase cannot always be measured by the number of results returned.
Every site ranks initlaly high.
Not in Google since about 2003. The new site bounce has been replaced with a year long sentence to pergatory.
coincidently, after starting this post, my site came out of the sandbox next day and ranks for some more obvious terms, this is great news as you start to lose enthusiasm after many months and no reward.
It is said that the sandbox applies to only compeitive terms, how in this case can google accurately rank new sites for compeitive terms that are worthy of inclusion? this must be a flaw in their algo to an extent. A site for "new widgets for may 2006" will never be found in google in time according to this?
