My new sites go supplemental after first week

[MarketExpert]

I made some promotional websites that showed up in Google 1 day after creation. 1 Week later they went supplimental and my traffic dropped drastically.
What is the future of these websites? Will they come back? Will they show up in Yahoo and Msn soon?
How can I get the traffic back?

[Go60Guy]

Are you developing inbound links? Usually the underlying reasons for going supplemental are lack of decent inbound links and, to some extent, having duplicate content.

You can get out of supplemental by making sure your content is original, having good internal linking structure and, most importantly, links, links, links!

Did I mention links?

[SEOPTI]

Their crawling process needs just one single PR5 link to crawl about 10k sites. But 90% of them will go supplemental if you don't work on more links or if you get more links which they discount.

I don't get it why they crawl those pages. But it is sure that their crawling process needs lower PR for crawling, but far more PR = quality links are needed to stay in the main index.

It's just nonsense that they go wild on crawling for low PR pages which will for sure become supplemental. I think that about 60% of G whole index are supplemental, maybe even more.

[edited by: SEOPTI at 12:13 am (utc) on June 13, 2007]

[tedster]

I've been calling it a honeymoon rank - a sort of testing period at the very beginning ot the new site where some filters do not kick in right away. On the chance that this or that new site just takes off and catches fire, I think it's a pretty good idea. I've seen it happen where with lots of attention the site gets good natural backlinks very fast and doesn't go into Supplemental.

This honeymoon process allows Google's users not to miss out on the latest.

[zafile]

"What is the future of these websites? Will they come back? Will they show up in Yahoo and Msn soon? How can I get the traffic back?"

Have you read "Successful Site in 12 Months with Google Alone" at [webmasterworld.com...]

Those 26 steps work for me in Google, Yahoo and MSN (Live).

Cheers!

[Go60Guy]

Because I've had a problem with a lot of pages going supplemental, I'm in the process of experimenting with strategies to avoid tipping over into the abyss.

FWIW, I thought this might be worth sharing.

I just experimented with adding a page to an existing static html site that's about four months old. For content, I used an article from one of the directories that is perfectly targeted for certain keywords and added my own introduction about the article and summary at the end. I changed the title in the title tag and added my own meta description and keywords. I also placed an on-topic php rss news feed on the page. Other than that, I inserted the article word for word just as it was downloaded from the directory.

I made sure the page is linked to internally in the same manner as all other pages on the site.

I then posted about the topic to a blog (different IP) using only the url for the page for a backlink. Within 48 hours, the page was indexed and is NOT SUPPLEMENTAL!

Admittedly, this is anecdotal, but suggests a possible approach for getting internal pages directly into the main index with a newish site. I'm going to try it again with a different site.

[kamikaze Optimizer]

I have a site which is 7 months old now with 10,000 article pages.

I am currently adding about 50 - 70 new articles each day.

The new pages go supp in about 10 days.

I am looking forward to the day when the whole site comes out of supp.

[Halfdeck]

Without crawling pages and keep track of links on those pages, Google can't calculate the PageRanks of those pages. Without knowing their PageRank, Google can't decide what to do with those pages.

[zeus]

I would first check if you have different meta descriptions be fore worring about links, thats mostly the reason for dublicated content.

[SEOPTI]

zeus: This is wrong info, not unique meta descriptions are not a reason for duplicate content, they are a reason for "omitted results".

[zeus]

SEOPTI: sorry but thats also a reason, I had the trouble on 3 sites, I just made every meta description unique wow all back as NON supplemental, also one of the google guys have mentioned this meta description thing, dont ask me where. no links where added, all sites where more then 3 years old

[SEOPTI]

zeus: You are right, this comes into play in the special case where they don't crawl the body and just decide based on title and description if a page is supplemental or not. This is mostly the case with low PR pages.

[zeus]

yes, I thought it was a low PR site.

[Evis]

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Just a month back, I launched a new client website (with 60+ pages). Site is content rich and every page has useful information. Content is being developed by expert writers. By seeing the recent google trends in SEO, there was a bit of consiousness in our mind, that google may put some pages in Supplemental index! But it came up with surprise that more then 80% of site pages are in supplemental index after the site is being launched. The more pages that we are adding, Google is again putting them in Supplemental index. Though, site is still new and we are in process of enhancing the backlink structure of the site [without taking paid links] but my question is:

"Have anyone else experienced new sites being put into Supplemental index?"

"How long will it take for the site(new & old as well) to come from secondary indexing to main index?"

Since it takes considerable time, efforts and money to develop a pure content rich website, Supplemental Index is still a mystery! We are getting decent traffic with handfull of pages in main index, I am sure with more pages in main index, our traffic will be 3 times of what we are getting right now.

We have spent good time on Interlinking of website and majority of pages are one/two click away from Home Page. ON Page is quite strong and Meta Tags are different for most of the pages.

I still wonder if others with new websites are also facing such problem?

Thanks in Advance!

[edited by: tedster at 7:51 pm (utc) on June 18, 2007]

[b2net]

Is anyone else seeing a change in how easily pages drop into the supplemental index? Before the June update new pages would be supp for the first week but then come back and stay out of the supp index. There was no problem getting all pages of a fairly new site indexed.

Now a new site is crawled, gets out of supplemental (after a short period of time), traffic is nice for a few days but then more and more pages start dropping to the supp index every day.

What is the reason for this? The root page has good backlinks, internal linking is ok (for example links to all sub pages can be found on the main page). Duplicate content should not be a problem because these sites avoid the -950 filter.

I'd like to know if there has been a change in what makes pages drop to supplemantal because I've not had a problem with this before with new sites I've launched (similar linking, number of pages, unique content etc.).

[texasville]

content rich means nothing. to paraphrase....links, links, links! Links to those pages! But if you can get the main index up high enough..say pr 6 or 7...they will pass that pr across and help out if the site isn't toooo big.
Lots of links and plug all the server holes. If you are on microsoft servers, make sure that isapi rewrite is installed. If you are running dynamic, make sure that session id's are not coming into play.
What I am saying is, make sure there are no mechanical reasons for supplemental first and then go looking for one way quality links. Easier said than done nowadays.