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I have several sites
1. 4 year old PR5 dynamic site - around 48,000 pages in old index and about 50,000 pages in Bigdaddy. Dynamic pages get updated in SERPs a day or two after I add them. Has search engine friendly URLs. This site has been in sitemaps since sitemaps started. I can always tell when Bigdaddy is on our country's Google search page - traffic absolutely surges! We must have better rankings on Bigdaddy than the old index for a lot of pages for this site. Bigdaddy must like this site.
2. 1 year old PR0 dynamic site on a different server, IP, C Class, not duplicate content etc - around 23,000 pages in old index and about 18,000 pages in Bigdaddy. Every single page is a supplemental result in both indexes (I think because not many links pointing to it?). They are certainly not supplemental because they are 'obscure search terms' as Google puts it. Has search engine friendly URLs. Matt Cutts has alluded to a "Supplemental Bot" and I'm not sure how to ditch this bot and get the regular Mozilla bot to crawl. This site has been in sitemaps since last year. Rankings are hopeless whichever way you look at it, nearly always on the last page. Cache is from August!
3. 3 month old PR0 dynamic site on a same server, IP, C Class as above site, but different sub-domain and different content - 10 first level pages and no dynamic content in old index and zero pages in Bigdaddy. Site has dynamic URLs. This site has been in sitemaps for 3 months, some crawl activity.
4. Blog. Very interesting results for this one. This is a PR3 Wordpress blog up since May last year. I update it fairly regularly. Last month changed to search engine friendly URLs. All pages are listed in both old index and Bigdaddy (106 pages total). This is the part that shocked me:
old, dynamic urls (such as blog.mysite.com/?p=14) are listed as Supplemental
recent, sef urls (such as blog.mysite.com/subject-of-post)are listed normally in the index.
I am even getting traffic on my blog so they must have a decent position in the SERPs for some terms (even got a 60c click today, woohoo!). This site has been in sitemaps since sitemaps started too.
5. A site been up for 3 months, static standard site built with sub-domains, 1 subject to a domain. Has 62 pages (about 50% of the site at the time) in the old index, the 62 pages appeared in the SERPs all at once a month ago and even though new pages have been added to the site no new pages have been added to the old Google index. Only the index page for the base site appeared on Bigdaddy, until today, now there are 10 pages (4 with URL only - no title or description). This site is NOT in sitemaps, however has some incoming links.
SUMMING UP
I don't think sitemaps affect rankings.
I'm not sure if sitemaps get your site crawled quicker or better (I will let you know at a later date what Bigdaddy thinks of site number 2 and 5).
I think search engine friendly urls definetely help and dynamic urls can hurt.
Incoming links? Not too sure about that. Site 1 has very few (less than 6) incoming links yet has a PR of 5. How is that possible?
SEO - all sites are white hat SEO'd. I'll let you know in 2 years the results of the SEO on the newer sites :-)
CONCLUSION
Older, well established, normal, on-topic, good content sites have nothing to fear from Bigdaddy. Newer sites will need to prove they are trustworthy before Bigdaddy takes them seriously.
What do you think?
I'd like to ask about this site:
1 year old PR0 dynamic site on a different server, IP, C Class, not duplicate content etc - around 23,000 pages in old index and about 18,000 pages in Bigdaddy. Every single page is a supplemental result in both indexes
What do the listings look like for the supplemental results?
I have a site that has lots of supplementals, and I saw that the description shown in the serps was almost the same in all cases, except for the main title. This was largely because the listings were showing the meta tag "description" which was the same in all these cases. We have now changed that tag to be dynamic (like other tags already were) I'm hoping that will take the results out of suplemental and into normal, if you know what I mean. The site actualy has PR5 but only about 7 pages in normal results at present. It has been around for 3 years and used to do a lot better.
Scott
My hope is that the many supplemental pages simply indicate a "flag" of a page that has migrated from an old index design to the new design, but unfortunately we don't get to see the new index much (if at all).
It also appears Google is using the "Aristocratic" page rank scheme as part of this migration process. It seems like the supplemental pages are the ones that are probably below some PR threshold. How could PR ever be called "Democratic" when only webmasters get to vote?
Yet another month with incomplete indexing of sites by Google!
Hi WhatcartridgeI'd like to ask about this site:
This site has been fully indexed, searches for on-page terms are returned. It's just that they are on the last page of the SERP's (boo hoo).
