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Easier to Get Higher PR in less competitive industries?

         

chickenpaw

11:17 pm on Dec 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Here is my question:

We have websites in many different industries and are coming out out with a few more in very non competitive industries.

In one of or more competitive niches most websites have a PR4 or PR5 and when you look at there backlinks they have a lot of sites link to them....PR7's PR6's and lots of high quality sites. Yet they manage only PR4 or PR5 themselves. Most of these sites are 3-5 years old and have 1000's of backlinks.

In our New Niche there are not many sites and the few sites there are have PR5's. I do a complete backlink checks on these sites expecting to see about the same thing as I do in our other industries. Here is the kicker. Both sites are less than 2 years old and have at the highest a PR5 incoming link and less than 200 backlinks. How can they manage a PR5?

Does Google make it easier to reach this high PR in less competitive and profitable industries?

annej

4:43 am on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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No, PR is a Internet wide thing so even the top sites in a niche topic may only be a 5 with a rare one at 6.

zztracy

10:56 am on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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annej:

<<No, PR is a Internet wide thing so even the top sites in a niche topic may only be a 5 with a rare one at 6.>>

what causes you to think so? asking because I have been seeing widgets in 2 very differently competitive cities and they have very different PR/link values.

headache1987

6:32 pm on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Our main keyword only gets 50,000 results and many of those are only moderately related. I've had to bust my hump to get a six - it's no easier, trust me.

chickenpaw

9:34 pm on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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So how do this explain my original post. A site with VERY few backlinks none above a page 5. In fact only 1 PR 5 and a couple other ones. My sites have 10 times the back links and PR backlinks from PR 7 sites. Its older, more original content.....why does this site have a PR5 and us a PR4?

annej

11:42 pm on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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widgets in 2 very differently competitive cities and they have very different PR/link values

I'd forgotten hearing that mentioned. I probably oversimplified my answer. I was just trying to make the point that it isn't easier to get high PR in a niche topic.

But mysterious things go on with Google and though I haven't seen any sites with different PRs according to search I'm not surprised it happens.

For the most part it's not worth trying to outguess Google. Better to build more good content pages (not overoptomized but making it clear to the SE what the page is about).

On an emotional level It's kind of a downer that PR has gone down on my pages but logic tells me my sites are doing better than ever in both Google and with AdSense and that's what counts.

steveb

12:11 am on Dec 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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chickenpaw, PR has nothing to do with niche or anything else besides just links, and it isn't any more difficult to get PR for one type of site over another (except obviously a page with a cure for cancer will soon attract more links than some page about lint).

chickenpaw

4:17 pm on Dec 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My point exactly. PR only has to do with backlinks. Why does a site with VERY VERY few back links and only one PR5 and the rest PR1 and PR2 sites....how can they have a PR5? Not that PR even matters a whole lot, but I am just curious. I have two sites that are PR 4 that has something like 2 or 3 PR7 (10 pr6 links) and than hundreds more of PR5 and down.......

YET the small site has a better PR? How

mack

4:20 pm on Dec 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Gaining pr may in reality be easier in a less competative industry because links are easier to come by.

If you have a purely info site then it is pretty easy to aquire good ibl's. On the otherhand an ecomerce site is much harder. It all depends on the purpose of the site, as well as the industry.

Mack.

NoLimits

5:45 pm on Dec 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Perhaps the site has more backlinks that Google isn't telling you about.

buckworks

5:51 pm on Dec 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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backlinks from PR 7 sites

What matters isn't the PR of the "site" (by which you probably mean the home page's PR) ... what matters is the PR of the page that is actually linking to you. That's usually lower than the home page, sometimes a lot lower.

chickenpaw

6:18 pm on Dec 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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We run a tool called optilink and go 1000 results deep on sites. This tells us the sites and the PR of the sites that people use to link to the site we choose to analyze.

The particular site in question had about 50 total backlinks. Non higher than a PR5 Page linking to it. We have hundeds and hundeds of backlinks with PAGES that are pr7 linking to us.

SEOPTI

6:51 pm on Dec 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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chickenpaw, why spam?

tedster

6:54 pm on Dec 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Also remember that the NUMBER of links on the linking page is a major factor. And mix in the "special sauce" that Google does not always allow a link to pass PR.

ironmadien

7:35 pm on Dec 19, 2005 (gmt 0)



May be google crawler didn't crawled properly or may be the content of the website......

steveb

8:42 pm on Dec 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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You're jumbling a bunch of concepts together. A page can be PR5 from just one link from a PR5 page. That is very normal, although PR4 is more likely.

Why one specific page doesn't have PR it appears it should could be the result of a dozen or more reasons, and doesn't relate to the thread title.

chickenpaw

6:59 pm on Dec 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My only point was: How does a site that is brand new and have like one PR5....get a PR5 .....when a more established site with hundeds of links from PR7 pr6 and PR5 sites only get a PR4?


And this is in reply to the guy that said SPAM - What are you talking about?

300m

7:21 pm on Dec 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I am in a pretty competitive industrry and I have had some success with getting good PR. On average the main keywords I target span between 40-100+ million plus results.

My formula:

1) Create the sub page (if that is what you are attempting)
2)Link that sub page on several (about 10+) subpages within the domain, including the home page.

3) If you have some strong older domains to play with, I link from the ones that have a good PR and that historically do well in google.

4) Wait about 3 months for some pixels to come in.

It seems to work for me as I have at least 200 or so PR5 pages on one domain and another 100+ or so on another etc.. I am not lkinking from any PR7 pages, only 3 pr 6 and the rest are 5.

I can understand what you mean though, but for me PR is not as important as gaining the top 3 organic spots. I personally think getting PR is much easier than getting 1,2, and 3.

steveb

9:19 pm on Dec 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"My only point was"

And the answer is the first is normal, while the second could happen for a dozen reasons from sloppy webmastering to the inbound links not passing PR. Forget about the first, if you want to discuss various reasons PR doesn't get passed or how poor website construction can effect PR, you could start a thread on that.

rkhare

10:12 pm on Dec 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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so is it better to build a website first in non-comp. industry and then use its PR to increase PR of commercial sites?

texasville

5:39 pm on Dec 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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And what pr are you talking about. Toolbar pr can be very different from current pr. It still comes down to the formula google uses. There are LOTS of variables and many, many factors. If you really want to get a headache, google pr formula and try reading some of those articles.