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energylevel

11:56 pm on Nov 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I feel I'm a victim of the www and non www problem, when I do a search for site:mydomain.com I see www.mydomain.com/ but also see mydomain.com/ listed as supplemental.

Apart from the 301 which I have done now is there any process Google have setup so I can ask for a quick resolution to this issue rather having to wait... I'm told it can take months for a site to recover from canonical issues?

Patrick Taylor

10:23 am on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I did a 301 redirect from non-www to www on a site a few weeks ago. The non-www homepage is still indexed - not as a supplemental - I think with months old content (can't check that any more), and also www.domain.com/index.php is listed as a supplemental.

As far as I have read here, there is nothing you can do. The question is whether this is having any effect on your page rankings. It doesn't appear to have done in my case, although the homepage has a lower PR than many other pages on the site, which could suggest it is being split.

energylevel

10:33 am on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My homepage's rank has been pretty much destroyed .... site is very clean it can't be a penalty...

Dayo_UK

10:45 am on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)



>>>>The question is whether this is having any effect on your page rankings.

That is the $64,000 question.

A Homepage split of PR0 for one and PR4 (or whatever) for the other seems to be much worse than a split of PR2 for one and say PR4 for the other.

Which might be as one takes over from the other as the Canonical (eg PR0 taking over would pretty much destroy the homepage and then the site would follow.)

IMO of course.

>>>>any process Google have setup so I can ask for a quick resolution

Nope.

cleanup

10:50 am on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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energylevel,

Yes, I have the same problem. The site has been
around for a long time. I have paying advertisers,
who are not happy.

It was around late Sept when Google slipped and
the site looks like it has this problem.

Most pages are listed under non-www and the
site:www.site.com command gives just

/www.site.com/
and
/www.site.com/index.html Supplemental

I did the 301 redirect thingy early last week.
I would expect when I do the site:www.site.com
command to see all the pages from my site the
way it used to be. So far there is no change.

Ranking, is completely gone, nothing, zilch
even for quoted phrases from the site.

I have sent a reinclusion request to Google.
I know that this is for Spammers but there is
no other way that I know to reach Google with
site problems.

So for now waiting and hoping. I certainly will
be frustrated if this goes on because the site
is clean and unique and performing a sevice for
many advertisers and web users alike. :(

energylevel

12:18 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Cleanup ... if you have any developments let me know, I will do the same, I am about to post reinclusdion request in the next few days, just waiting for a few dead pages to dissapear from Google after I used the Google URL removal tool... Maybe try the word 'Canonical' in the subject line for any reports you send to Google, if memory serves me GoogleGuy had mentioned to do this in the past...

Patrick Taylor

12:19 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The supplemental index is a most peculiar phenomenon, and I gather is some sort of experiment on the part of Google. It would be interesting to know what effect, if any, it has on a site's pages that are in the main index.

The canonical issue is even more bizarre. It is hard to believe that a major search engine like Google can't always recognise a canonical page. It seems so basic. Even if it doesn't impact on their revenue you would think such a glitch, if that is what it is, would be fixed simply out of the company's concern for their reputation.

The vast majority of websites do not have a 301 redirect and one begins to wonder if it is actually a wise thing to do, unless it is done immediately a website is put on the web.

cleanup

12:24 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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So should I delete the index.html page from the index? using their removal tool?

Seems so bazar, I can't beleive that I am even asking this question!

Patrick Taylor

12:25 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"should I delete the index.html?"

NO!

energylevel

12:32 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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If you use removal tool it can take 3-6 months before your page is re-included so defianelty NO ... only use it for pages that are surplus to requirement, dead wood etc ...

tantalus

1:49 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Cleanup fwiw I had a domain with a holding page plus one other page both of which went supplemental. (www.domain.com/index.html)

However when I uploaded the final new site I deleted index.html and replaced it with index.aspx. Within a short period the index.html supplemental, had completely disappeared and www.domain.com/ was showing instead. (The other page that I did not delete but changed is still showing as supplemental.)

jaffstar

2:06 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I hate to say it...but I have it too....

Questions:

1. If a site is still ranking very well and its domain.com is the same pr as www.domain.com, should I still redirect? is there any harm in doing it.

2. Why are some domain.com less than www.domain.com, while others are equal to?

Dayo_UK

2:25 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)



Jaffstar

I was just about to answer your sticky.

1. I hope not. God knows these days.

2. Sometimes (lol not as often as Google would want us to wish) Google can work out that they are the same - eg If PR and BL are the same on non-www and www then there is no problem with the homepage and PR split - or related issues.

IMO!

energylevel

2:35 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I think the problem is created by inbound links to a mix of www. an non www. URLs...

SEODan

11:15 am on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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On this theme, I was wondering whether anybody could advise me on the following question:

We are thinking of setting up a completly new content area on our site, with some developers wanting to use newcontent.mysite.com instead of www.mysite.com/newcontent

what with the jagger update do you think the first option will have a detrimental impact on SEO?