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"I thought I'd clear the air a bit:
When your site has pages in our supplemental index, it does *not*
indicate that your site has been penalized. In particular, we do not
move a site's pages from our main to our supplemental index in response to any violations of our Webmaster Guidelines.
You can expect to see a fresher supplemental index in the coming
quarters. By the definition of "supplemental," however, I don't forsee
it becoming as comprehensive or frequently updated as our main index.
Get more quality backlinks. This is a key way that our algorithms will
view your pages as more valuable to retain in our main index."
more at... Google Groups discussion [groups.google.com]
[edited by: tedster at 11:12 pm (utc) on Nov. 11, 2006]
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Well block them then. Or do you actually WANT the traffic? Well then do what you have to to get it!
Time better spent finding other venues for traffic then bending over backwards to try and suit G.
Are you saying smaller companies are?
>>>>>In fact I think precisely the opposite. They are successful because they are good at what they do<<<<<<
Sometimes...and sometimes they USED to be good at what they do. Now they just have deep pockets and can do on the internet what smaller can't.
Why do you care? Was I bullying big companies?
I disagree with what appears to me an unrealistic attitude.
And yes I think that smaller less successful companies are likely to be less good at what they do. That's why they are smaller and less successful!
At one time google was the smallest, least well known search engine out there. Lucky for them, there wasn't an entity around capable of quashing them and keeping them irrelevant.
Anyway, back to topic, I think there maybe other ways to land in the supplementals.
I have another site that is largely supplemental and does not suffer with duplicate content from errant URL's. This is a relatively new site (8 months) and has a large number of pages (7500+).
It is difficult to explain the structure of the site without to much detail but the simplest way is to think of it as a wanted item site, where a user submits a small amount of unique data (Typ <60 characters) and this is then listed. There is an index type page with 50 user entries and each of these has a link to a page that contains the same text but with an ability for someone else to reply & some more detail (this is invisible to Google as much of the extra content will not appear until logged in). The index type page also contains further links to other index pages (page 1, 2, 3 etc).
As the site grew the number of links to other index pages reached page 120 or so and we ended up with pages containing 175+ navigation links to pages containing near dupe content (the detail pages) and other index pages (page 1,2,3 etc) that contained more dupes and more index pages etc... I think this is what caused much of the site to go supplemental.
Most of the detail pages and all but one of the index pages are listed supplemental. All the standard content is in the main index (about us, links, normal content etc)
I have now put a noindex on all the detail pages and changed the index page navigation to only show links to upto 10 other pages and am waiting with baited breath to see if (and when) we get forgiven.
[edited by: Gissit at 6:22 pm (utc) on Nov. 15, 2006]
Yes, but it was the best (until everyone figured out how it worked). That's why it's succeeded - it offered something new.
And back then I expect people were complaining about not listing at the top of Yahoo etc.
If someone could genuinely build something better and market it better than G then, even today, it could grow to overtake the big boys.
Then in ten years when it held a monopoly on the market someone would start a thread on here claiming that their site should rank higher than Johnny's but doesn't because (insert - big long list of gripes) and that <besteversearchengine.com> was manipulating the results to please its shareholders and should listen to the webmasters cos they know best and it is their web anyway
Google indexed about 30% of the possible URLs for the thread, and then dumped more than 90% of what they had indexed to supplemental after a few weeks.
When I previously looked (about a week ago) a lot of the duplicates were at that time, shown as URL-only entries on some datacentres.
Now I see them as supplemental.
We list bazillions of pages in our main index that have no external
backlinks; PageRank can flow *within* a site. While it's super to get
links to internal pages from admiring fans, it's not a requirement in
order for those deep pages to appear in the main index.
This, by the way, doesn't mean that you should go *hog wild* with
internal crosslinking (it'll only confuse your users and fail to
provide any additional ranking benefits), but it's a great idea to have
a regular sitemap and/or reasonable Web of related links within your
own site. That's not just good for Google, it's good for your users...
because they can then (ideally) find any page/product/service on your
Google Groups link [groups.google.com]
[edited by: encyclo at 11:20 pm (utc) on Nov. 20, 2006]
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I had some rtml programming done in which my title tags would use the main category if fell under in the title
let's say I have a website selling cars
Lets say I have a category called "Used Cars"
Now lets say under used cars there are 100 pages and my title on my pages read like this.
Ford Truck - Used Cars
Honda - Used Cars
Toyota - Used Cars
You get the idea. My question is this. Will my pages go supplemental because my title tags keep repeating the word "Used Cars" for those 100 pages? Or is this ok?
If not, what would be the correct way to write these title tags?
Many sites that have top ranking on Google in my industry show no duplicate title or description tags. With all being equal in my title tags on my product pages all include category name in title where they came from.
So if I have 100 items in that category the item and the category name get displayed as the title tag and as a result 100 of which are using the same keyword.
So I am putting 2 + 2 together and seeing my competitors who are not doing this are getting top rankings and my site is all supplemental.
Also I have been reading on other forums that repeated title tags in this matter CAN possibly cause supplemental problems.
So is it better to be on the safe side and remove these repeat title tags? It wouldn't hurt if I remove this, right?
Except for the homepage my entire website is in Supplemental Index.
About two weeks ago I made the recommended changes that I have read on this forum to try and get out of the supplemental index on Google.
Here is what I have noticed in the last two weeks after my changes:
when I did a search as "site:mydomain.com" Before my changes to the website I had 689 pages indexed all supplemental. Since that time and after my changes I now have 1850 pages index but again all supplemental except for the homepage.
Can I take this as a positive sign that Google is crawling my site more and grabing more pages even though they are still being place in supplemental?
Keep in mind my site is about 1 year old.....I had title tag issues and also duplicate content issues which all have been corrected two weeks back.
Can I assume that google is preparing to send me back to the main index?
Does anybody have any experience with this? Is is this a clear sign that I may be getting out?