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My last site took 10 months to rank in G. I learn more here everyday.
(If you haven't ponied up for the supporters forum, do it!)
(and more evidence there is no G sandbox)
Then why am I still waiting to see my website in the SERPs -- other than my root page? My website has been online since august.
(If you haven't ponied up for the supporters forum, do it!)
Why? Can I get a free "get-my-website-listed-in-Google"-password there? ;o)
[edited by: OutdoorMan at 1:43 am (utc) on Oct. 17, 2006]
I sometimes have new site success, too. But it's not often enough that I would neglect to tell a new client about the "trust filtering" than might slow down Google's search traffic for them. Better to have them get really serious about building a great site from all angles.
Was there any step you took that you feel was really key?
[edited by: tedster at 3:37 am (utc) on Oct. 17, 2006]
My last site took 10 months to rank in G.
Any idea of what you did different this time, that might have helped you get ranked faster in G?
I would very much like to hear any advice. It's really frustrating having spended more than a year on building my website -- only to discover that I'll have to wait another amount of time before it will show up in G SERPs :(
little opposition for search terms - eg muck chucking turtles
timing is a fluke.
old domain - new launch
301 from other domain.
new site bonus
results are usually worth little, or are shortlived
stajer
please list the number of pages that come up on google for your main search phrase
and more evidence there is no G sandbox
Evidence?
Registered a domain, designed and coded the site, and now rank in G for a broad selection of my keywords (100+) in less than 30 days!
That's like saying it didn't rain today because you didn't notice it, even though other people are outside running around drenched.
Whatever kinds of filtering and testing Google does apply to a new website, it does not require a fixed amount of time. Many discussions about the "sandbox effect" have assumed that there is a set "time release" kind of thing going on, or if not a set period, at least some minimum requirement of several months.
We have known for a couple years that there are filters for a new website, and they seem to involve the need to establish some signals of trust -- as is being discussed here:
Filters exist - the Sandbox doesn't. How to build Trust. [webmasterworld.com]
My last site took 10 months to rank in G. I learn more here everyday.
Unless your sites were both on the exact same topic, it may not be a valid comparison. Less competitive topics usually don't have that much of a sandbox issue.
If you haven't ponied up for the supporters forum, do it!
Whatever kinds of filtering and testing Google does apply to a new website, it does not require a fixed amount of time.
That's as I have understood it for the last 18 months or more. I was not aware that there was a school of thought to the contrary? Has anyone recently claimed that it is a fixed period?
Just about all of the sites I have launched during the last couple of years have been SB'd for varying periods apart from one, which like Stajer's escaped the net. As far as I can see this is of no real significance.
Things I did differently this time than last time:
- keywords in urls from the start
- created a G sitemap (but that is not supposed to help)
- started with just a few hundred pages of products (ecommerce site) (not thousands, that will come later)
- well optimized internal link structure
- obtained a few but highly qualified back links (I have less than 20 backlinks but they are all well optimized (keywords in the link, on topic linking site))
- domain name means nothing - just made up with no keywords (like amazon, or google)
- implemented google analytics from day 1 - i don't know if this means anything for g
- used rewrite to make urls as short as possible
- paid special attention to content h1, h2, p tags and meta tags for each page.
But what happens to one site (especially after only one month) reallt 'proves' nothing. It is but one piece of evidence to be weighed against a stack of conflicting evidence.
Something odd happens in Google to many new sites; we can argue about exactly waht, and which sites ... and what to call this effect. But 'sandbox' is as good a name as any ;)
- obtained a few but highly qualified back links (I have less than 20 backlinks but they are all well optimized (keywords in the link, on topic linking site))
Very interesting. Would you be kind to elaborate more on that, if you wish.
I contacted over 150 quality blogs and got 20 or so entries. But, new ones pop up every day. Incidentatly - G indexed those blog posts very quickly.
That is, the old sites done most off the heavy lifting, off course the exellent optimisation you done further boosts your standing
just a thought
Nothing much will happen if you have very few links to it, even if you have a very "spiderable" site with good content.
Just my 2cents, im no expert by far lol
Nothing much will happen if you have very few links to it
Unless some of the links are good quality, there's a fair amount of decent content, and plenty of relevant, intra-site links.
People often underrate the value of "links to it" that come from the very same website.
Show me the same result where your phrase is
New York Hotels.
and then I'll buy it.
Sorry, for this to mean anything, it would need to be posted on a forum where we could see the url, so we could see all factors, as its not possible to list them all here, and without seeing the url, no way to deduce them.
"Just about all of the sites I have launched during the last couple of years have been SB'd for varying periods apart from one, which like Stajer's escaped the net. As far as I can see this is of no real significance. "
While I agree with your positive comments about WW I am afraid that you would have to launch another three or four sites consecutively and with immediate success before I would be really impressed ;)
Resumes search for the grail!
