New pages on website - old cache

Google out dated cache pages

[bcrbcr]

I'm new to these forums and have been searching pages for similar cases butr ama bit confused. Situation is that I have completely redesigned a new wesbite for one of my domains, goung from 4 pages up around 20. Index page has compeletely changed. The site was uploaded around 2 weeks back. I have added an xml sitemap and sent it to Google. The goolge reponse to sitemap reports all OK. The cache of the site is still the same as it was 6 months back (Google last accessed homepage on 18 August, now 9 September 2006). Is there any way I can get the Googlebot to replace the cache at least - or do I have to wait months? Is there a quick message youy can send to Google to tell them their cache is out of date and just plain wrong? Thanks

[LunaC]

Generally you just need to wait it out.

I wouldn't worry too much about the cache as long as Gbot is still crawling everything fine.

I redesigned one of my sites around 2 months ago, it's heavily spidered, ranks well and still many pages show an older cache.

[g1smd]

It usually takes only up to about 2 or 3 days after spidering for the cache to change on established sites. It might take a little longer for newer sites. Different datacentres might have different data.

At the moment Google is updating their Supplemental Results. They haven't done that on all datacentres, and likewise on some datacentres they don't appear to be updating cache pages either.

Expect that those datacentres will have a complete new index uploaded to them in the next few weeks, rather than simply updating what is already there.

[bcrbcr]

thanks for the comments - I'll just wait - I'll post a reply when something happens bcr

[g1smd]

If nothing happens in, say, another month, then you do actually have a problem; but that seems unlikely.

[bcrbcr]

Have just discovered my own mistake on something which may explain delays - I have been using SiteMap Builder.net package to write xml sitemaps - which I duly uploaded in the correct way - but did not alter some important fields which were added to the map. So I uploaded sitemaps that said - for all pages - Last Modified date - none : Priority - None : Change Frequency - None.
Although I am fairly new to the process it seems to me that of Google SiteMaps works then I had just told them not to bother looking at my site at all, as it had no priority pages, did not change at all and had not been modified

I have just changed everything and will see if this solves my "problem".

[piatkow]

The cache on one of my pages seems to have gone backwards as well.

The only thing that stops me worrying is the fact that my SERPs on key search terms have improved dramatically at the same time.

[g1smd]

Some datacentres have older caches on them. Check which datacentre you are using if you see a change.

You might just be seeing a different datacentre that time. Compare, for example, gfe-gv and gfe-eh and see what I mean.

[bcrbcr]

I've read quite a bit in the last week or so and some of you guys are obviously real experts in this - the majority seem to be scartching around in the dark for explanations - like me - so I'm learning a lot.
The site I have been working on has been fairly low quality until my re-launch a couple of weeks back - now I think the quality has dramtaically improved, lots of google and basic web design issues addressed in the new design, a very pleasing human experience with lots of relevant human content, which has also been laid out in a search friendly way (I think). So a well balanced approach to the marketing issues. Whether it will do well or not I don't know.

My problem -`as I explained in my first post - is the lack of activity from the google system, and the delay in uploading of the the new site into data centers etc, when the "possibility" of proper analysis, ranking, caching etc comes into play. I then might be one of those posters who seem to be confused, alarmed, aggravated and angry about Google's apparent lack of customer care. I hope not.

Can someone confirm/explain the processing cycle of Google - for example my home page was last downloaded 18 August - in some posts I have seen 22 September mentioned ("end of summer") - are these batch processing dates? If you have a site which is deemed - has been defined as - a low change / low importance site, are these sites re-cached once a month - or is it more complex than that? Can I expect action next week - or do I have to wait months (as some writers seem to have done).

I have to agree with some people (and I am new to this forum, so maybe I have missed something) - if Google have such an overpowering monopoly in search, why are they so apparently indifferent to some of the concerns of their users - they seem to be echoing the arrogance towards their customers/clients that the old IBM and the current Microsoft were guilty of - in fact most of the incumbent monopoly players in many market segments have held such attitcudes, and decayed away over time as a result. One writer mentioned MSN and Yahoo as being better and faster at indexing - which I have also noticed during the exercise on this new site. Bearing in mind it is the same billions of pages they are search organsiations are indexing, the other two seem more efficient at the front end - and the argument that poor Google has to deal with such a large number of ranking and sorting issues applies equally to the other two (and presumably other smaller players in the market). Do these firms have newer, faster, more efficient algorithms, organisations, systems and people. Have Google become fat and lazy, slow and uncaring to respond? Where is the solid customer service attitide we should expect from such a powerful organsation? Are they abusing their market position and their users? is there a real anti-trust issue here?

Apart from this - I really would like to know if there is a google processing cycle - and when my little site can expect to be treated in a fair and balanced way (wishful thinking ...?)

:-))

[piatkow]

I checked my site a few days with whatever data centre I was getting as default ago after some changes.

SERPS improved, new cache.

two days later everything was back to the old SERPs and cache

Tried a different data centre and got the improved SERPS but still the old cache.