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s00tie

7:29 am on Aug 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Ok so since submitting my site, I've had the following results from google when I do a site:mysite.name

Results 1 - 2 of 2 from mysite.name for . (0.12 seconds)

So I checked this morning and I get:

Results 1 - 4 of about 172 from mysite.name for . (0.12 seconds)

At first I was very excited, I know that google has been crawling the site properly, but I can still only see these 4 pages regardless of the fact its showing 'of about 172'

What gives?

tedster

7:31 am on Aug 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Sounds like there shoud be a "Show Omitted Results" link at the bottom -- is there?

g1smd

5:39 pm on Aug 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I keep on mentioning this effect. It has been like this for several years.

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If there is a link to click to see further "omitted results" then it is a warning about "duplicate content", often just title tags and/or meta descriptions that are the same or too similar. Make them all different.

Make sure that each piece of content on your site has only one canonical URL that is used to access it. Get all the others out of the index by using the meta robots noindex tag (preferred) on the other URL versions, or exclude them using robots.txt instead. Matt Cutts [threadwatch.org] has mentioned it several times recently too.

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If there is no "omitted results" link, then you caught that DC in mid-update. The count represents a load of hidden supplemental results which they have only recently hidden and which will be fully thrown away within 48 hours. At that time you will see the count adjusted downwards to reflect only those results that can actually be seen. I have seen this effect late last year, early this year, and again in the last few days. It has happened to sites that had a large number of one-year-old supplemental results (for URLs that have been 404, or have had a 301 redirect on them for a long time) that have then been discarded by Google.

s00tie

2:25 am on Aug 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Firstly, is there any reason that topic reply notifications don't work on this site?

Thanks for the feedback.

All I can add is that the page titles are all different, I use a seo optimized version of PHPBB2 Plus. However, all Meta's are the same, they use a common header... Could this cause issues?

tedster

4:29 am on Aug 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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First -- we released a new version of he forum software and yes, there is a bug with email notifications - it's on the fix list and mentioned in this thread in the Community Center forum [webmasterworld.com].

However, all Meta's are the same, they use a common header... Could this cause issues?

Yes, this being discussed in many threads. Google's Matt Cutts also mentioned it recently. Unique and page specific meta descriptions should get those urls out of the "omitted results" cluster.

s00tie

9:06 am on Aug 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for the reply.

I will see if I can use variables in the page header and then perhaps post my findings here so others can benefit later.

decaff

9:26 am on Aug 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I will see if I can use variables in the page header and then perhaps post my findings here so others can benefit later...

nice touch...looking forward to seeing your site recover with some of these adjustments..

g1smd

4:36 pm on Aug 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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The meta description is key. See the comments from Matt Cutts for more information.

s00tie

1:08 pm on Aug 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Well the page header is now using variables for both the keywords and description.

The portal I use is already setting the page title to the forum thread name which is nice, so with a little bit of editing, the page will now look something like the following to google:

Title: Cool forum thread about widgets
Description: View the Cool forum thread about widgets on oursite.domain
Keywords: cool forum thread about widgets, keyword1, keyword2, keyword3 etc

Also by using this method, I have got a good strategy in place for the numerous joomla site's I've designed, thanks very much for the tip.

To see the impact of having nice unique titles, descriptions and keywords on a page, you need look no further than the BBC website (am assuming I can say that without breaking any guidelines).

I have noticed that today, Google has gone back to showing 1 of 3 pages (the 172 I guess are now going to be included on the next update).

Will keep you posted and if anyone would like any help with PHPBB2 Plus doing this, let me know.

s00tie

8:36 am on Aug 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Now showing 1 - 3 of about 16

g1smd

11:29 pm on Aug 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

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How many pages do you really have?

Is there a "click for omitted results" link at the end or not?

s00tie

5:02 pm on Sep 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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If you count the forum threads as pages, then we have around 200 in total.

Google is showing the main page, with the other two as 'omitted'.

The problem here is that www.sitename.com is the same as www.sitename.com/home.html which is a simple re-write of www.sitename.com/index.php

index.php has recently been added to robots.txt but I'm unsure what I can do about the / and the /home.html

g1smd

5:30 pm on Sep 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Is there a "click for omitted results" link at the end or not?

s00tie

8:09 am on Sep 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Sorry thought I'd already made that clear. Yes there is a link.

Having checked again today, the number has risen back to 172 total, but only showing results 1-2

When I click the 'repeat the search with the omitted results included' link, it shows 4 total pages, 2 of which are duplicates.

bumpski

8:40 pm on Sep 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Interesting

I just complained to Google using the how can we improve link. I did a search that should have returned 1000's or even 100's of thousands of results, but there were just four pages followed by:
"click for omitted results"

The complaint was simple. One site was producing 100's of thousands of results for the keywords in question, but many legitimate sites with useful results were intermixed perhaps 1 per page. So thousands of useful results are masked by this one huge site's pages. A somewhat (slightly) legitmate site that rates businesses (Hmmm) and their products so they can produce millions of pages of results that hit about every keyword in the world. So when you do click for ommitted results, this one site still dwarfs and masks all other legitimate results.

Granted I can filter this site using "-site:" and in fact in the past I've asked Google as a user to be able to have a URL filter list for my searches to eliminate these types of sites from my results. I can't think of once where I've seen a "-site:" directive in referer strings in my site(s)logs, so most Google user's don't understand this syntax. Which of course means MY potential visitors may run into the same inconvenience.

So the result is a poor search experience. Poor quality!

Shouldn't Google cap the number of results, from some of these extremely large sites, that end up masking many other legitimate and more useful results?

Simsi

8:58 pm on Sep 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I'd say this feature at Google is broken/mid-update right now. Just did a site:www.widgets.com on my domain and the first 5 results are from totally unconnected German language domains (ie: www.diesewidgeten.com/fluffypuzzy.html). Then on page 3, a few more appear. Very strange - got a screenshot if anyone wants it.

[edited by: Simsi at 8:59 pm (utc) on Sep. 8, 2006]

Atomic

10:02 pm on Sep 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I am seeing bizarre results for a site:domain.com search. Many results are in no way related to my sites. I've never seen anything quite like this before.

tedster

10:08 pm on Sep 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Atomic -- yes, several other reports like that are being discussed here:

site:domain.com shows unrelated/spam domains [webmasterworld.com]

reseller

10:08 pm on Sep 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Atomic

Where do you see that? Any specific DC? or IP?

Atomic

10:32 pm on Sep 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Thanks Tedster. Missed that thread.

Reseller:

66.102.7.104 brought some up for one domain. Not all domains seem to be affected.