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What is the Best Way to Build PageRank Throughout a Site?

         

mdewber1

9:18 pm on Jul 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Going on my previous post, what is the best way to build a higher page rank throughout my site. Thanks and any advice would be great!

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Vadim

12:52 am on Jul 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It is general opinion that PR (as distinct from the position in the index) is per page and not per site. Though of course only Google knows how it really works.

You should have as much as possible good (high PR) relevant inbound links. A few good relevant outbound links also might help. The links from your own site also may influence PR, though the links from other sites are better.

You also should take into account that PR that you see in Google toolbar is not the current PR. It is something averaged over several months.

Vadim.

rfgdxm1

1:19 am on Jul 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>Going on my previous post, what is the best way to build a higher page rank throughout my site. Thanks and any advice would be great!

Get links from high PR pages to your site, and spread it around via internal links.

trimmer80

1:21 am on Jul 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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ill have a rant at this one. (in no particular order)

Get a good site structure.
Site structure is important for transferring page rank to the right places. Your home pages is usually the highest ranking pages. Your structure should be designed to pass the pr from your home page to the pages you are trying to rank and play less focus on the auxiliary pages eg. terms and conditions, contact forms etc. Generally you want a nice pyramid structure. Eg. Home page -> 50 Pages -> 2500 pages for larger sites. Too many internal links from the home page is bad, too few is a waste.

Get inbound links
Get people to link to your site. Wont say much on this, its pretty straight forward. Just look for on topic links and add them over time instead of too many in one go.

Give surfers a reason to link to you.
IMO the most important thing is building a site that gives surfers reasons to link to your site. Valuable and unique content will do this as well as anything that make your site 'sticky' (maybe a calculator, conversion tool etc etc). It is also important to promote these things to your surfer. Ask yourself "what makes my site better than other sites in my industry" then promote that throughout the site. If its enough of a competitive advantage more people will link to you.

Make it easy for people to link to you
Query strings, long urls etc etc may discourage people linking to pages deep in your site. Mod rewriting URLs is good for this.

strangerrr

3:36 am on Jul 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Great post ... trimmer80 :)

jimbeetle

4:14 am on Jul 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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For site structure you might want to check out one of Brett's classics, Search Engine Theme Pyramids [searchengineworld.com].

It doesn't deal directly with PageRank, in fact might have been written when Google and PR was just being noticed by the SEO world, but translates quite nicely.

sit2510

4:47 am on Jul 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>> Going on my previous post, what is the best way to build a higher page rank throughout my site. Thanks and any advice would be great!

If your site is not big, "FLAT STRUCTURE" would reply to your question.

With pyramid-style website, you build your site by hierarchy, so your PR would often be distributed in hierarchical way too. For instance, if your homepage is PR5, generally next level is PR4 and then 3rd level PR3.

With flat structure, you generally get minus 1 PR from your homepage. If your homepage is PR5, then the rest of your webpages would normally be PR4 (In case internal pages were PR3, then that means your homepage is low PR5 or there are too many links on your homepage).

Matty21

10:18 am on Jul 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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obviously im unaware of you intention for building up your pr but my advice is forget about pagerank. Lets face it it is a dinosaur of an algorithm that we all know doesnt work and obvously has no purpose for rankings whatsoever(this is reflected in g serps). If we look at all the other algo's that have been invented since Pagerank is makes to much sense that Google (the BEST search engine) would not use outdated technology but rather the latest and greatest. It has also been mentioned by Yahoo cheif engineers that it is IMPOSSIBLE to calculate pagerank any more and Teoma(Ask Jeeves) founder Apostlos (or however you spell it) doubts google ever employed the algo.

My advice FORGET pr its useless except for keeping forum posters busy talking about it while there off inventing new ways for ranking, spam filtering and improved algos.

Forget about Pagerank.

httpwebwitch

8:44 pm on Jul 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Try this.

1) take your text.
2) turn every word into a link.
3) point each link to an anchor which points to the next link.

Your page will receive PR from itself for every link on the page, and as the PR grows, the PR sent with the link increases too. As a result every time your page is indexed, your PR will grow logarithmically.

example:
<a name="lorem"></a><a href="#ipsum">lorem</a>
<a name="ipsum"></a><a href="#dolor">ipsum</a>
<a name="dolor"></a><a href="#sinc">ipsum</a>
...

As long as your page starts with a PR greater than 1, your PR will grow exponentially.

To really heat things up sitewide, point your links to anchors on other pages.

lammert

9:01 pm on Jul 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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httpwebwitch,

In mechanics they call your solution a perpetuum mobile [google.com]. There is a dampening factor in the PR calculation (0.85 in the original formula) which was built in to prevent this kind of PR build up.

linuxguy

9:02 pm on Jul 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Try this.

1) take your text.
2) turn every word into a link.
3) point each link to an anchor which points to the next link.

Your page will receive PR from itself for every link on the page, and as the PR grows, the PR sent with the link increases too. As a result every time your page is indexed, your PR will grow logarithmically.

example:
<a name="lorem"></a><a href="#ipsum">lorem</a>
<a name="ipsum"></a><a href="#dolor">ipsum</a>
<a name="dolor"></a><a href="#sinc">ipsum</a>
...

As long as your page starts with a PR greater than 1, your PR will grow exponentially.

To really heat things up sitewide, point your links to anchors on other pages.

Sounds interesting but won´t this be penalized by Google?

jimbeetle

9:37 pm on Jul 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Naughty, webwitch. Very naughty.

But a heck of good laugher :-]

httpwebwitch

1:31 pm on Aug 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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OK, sorry
I'm glad you realized that was a joke

I'll answer honestly. The best way to build PR throughout a site is to get backlinks. As many as possible, from reputable, real sources like websites and blogs. *(not link farms or scraper sites)

Brett's topic tree is a nice way to organize a site - in most cases you can organize a topic into hierarchical levels of increasing granularity (rememebr the Dewey decimal system?). Your home page will probably attract the most backlinks, and PR will trickle down through the rest of the site.

When generating backlinks, it's a good idea to spread out your targets - get some backlinks deeper into the site pointing to granular topic pages. They will pass PR back up the tree toward the home page - that way your site gets nourishment from the roots and leaves at the same time.

BigDave

5:57 pm on Aug 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Get links to increase the PR coming into your site.

Use good internal navigation to spread it around effectively.

Get deep links to pages other than your home page to boost pages removed by several clicks from your home page.

Have content worth linking to.

soapystar

7:53 pm on Aug 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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im amazed at the number of webmasters still focusing on pr as though it was the most important factor in getting ranked..whenever i hear this i know they are two years behind the times....it seems so basic yet they seem to miss what a search is all about..relevancy ..site structure is very important in this but not in terms of pr...

when strangerrr praised a post about pr he and the other poster both missed the point imho....

when saying

designed to pass the pr from your home page to the pages you are trying to rank and play less focus on the auxiliary pages eg. terms and conditions, contact forms etc.

i believe you are doing yourself and your site users no favours in that approach.

walkman

8:36 pm on Aug 3, 2005 (gmt 0)



I just added rel='nofollow'to plenty of my home links that I dont want PR transfered to. I'm hoping that the important ones will see the extra juice.

jk3210

8:49 pm on Aug 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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<<Your page will receive PR from itself for every link on the page, and as the PR grows, the PR sent with the link increases too. As a result every time your page is indexed, your PR will grow logarithmically. >>

Careful. I once saw a set-up like this catch on fire.