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How do I convert referrals from images.google.com

Shall I do a JS redirect to break out of the frameset?

         

plasma

2:25 pm on Aug 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I have tons of referrals from images.google.com on an ecom site.
Would you recommend to break out of the frameset using JS, or would that be bold?

Oliver Henniges

5:40 pm on Aug 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Just tried that, and you're onto something with it. In fact many of my indexed pages do lead visitors directly to the relevant shop category-pages, but most of my buttons, dropdown-boxes (all except pure links) in the shop system work with relative paths, so they actually don't work. Wonder what a less experienced visitor might think about my site if he doesn't know about framesets. And visitors from google images have indeed become a substantial part in my logfiles.

But I'd be careful with such JS-tricks.
If you ask me:
this is a job for googleguy;)

Besides I discovered something funny: I have a sort of "monopole" for one of my less competitive widgets in google images: the first twenty spots are all taken with 'widgets blue', 'widgets yellow' and so on all thru the rainbow, but the google spider completely mixed up the colours of the images and the descritive colour-words, because the widgets are categorized by size on a higher level and on each of the pages almost all colours do occur.

plasma

8:21 pm on Aug 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

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dropdown-boxes (all except pure links) in the shop system work with relative paths, so they actually don't work

You use images for navigation?!?

jay5r

8:32 pm on Aug 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Oliver - Would using a <base href="..."> tag fix your problem?

Oliver Henniges

10:54 pm on Aug 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

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> You use images for navigation?!?

Yes, of course, with a desrciptive text-link underneath, at least on the front page, but that was not what I meant. Google of course finds images from my product-category-deeplinks and if you click on that image, google shows the page embedded in that frame. The problem is some ohter tools ON those pages (like drop down boxes for choosing related product categories), which work with a php-cgi script on an on-change event. This, in fact, does not work if the page is embedded in a frame.

> Oliver - Would using a <base href="..."> tag fix your problem?

Maybe in some cases, but definitely not if the target of a form is defined as a relative path. I did not try base href, and I did not try to change the forms. As a matter of fact, I believe that google has its own reasons why these images are presented in a frameset and do not lead to the orginal pages directly (in contrast to the normal web-search). I'd like to know from someone inside google, why this is so and whether this has really been proved convenient for the google-users, before trying to escape from that with code.

[edited by: Oliver_Henniges at 10:55 pm (utc) on Aug. 17, 2006]

opifex

12:38 am on Aug 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I've always used js frame freakers and frame enforcers .... and yes I have tones of pages that have the images indexed ... still all in the top 10 in google searches and have always broken the frame .... I DON'T use silly ... "bandwidth theft" blurbs ... just break or redirect to the proper frame

plasma

11:42 am on Aug 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

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opifex, what JS do you use?

trillianjedi

11:49 am on Aug 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I'm interested in seeing variations of JS for this if such variations exist and one is better than the other.

Here's mine:-

<script type="text/javascript">
if (parent.frames.length > 0) {parent.location.href = self.document.location;document.location.reload();}
</script>

No idea if it's any good or not, but I've been using it for years.

<sidebar tip>
If you issue Press Releases via any of the online outlets like prweb, remove the frame-breaker before you submit the release. Many of them will alter your link in the release into plain text if you operate a frame-breaker. You can put it back again after it's published.
</sidebar tip>

TJ

jay5r

3:26 am on Aug 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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The following is a little more brief...

<script type="text/javascript">
if (window!=top) {top.location.href='http://www.example.com/somepage.htm';}
</script>

jay5r

3:42 am on Aug 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Just had a thought... That will result in two hits rather than one (more load on the server), and it will destroy the referrer, correct? (especially if it reloads before the tracking tags at the bottom of the page kick in). If that's true, then it might not be such a good idea after all...

ALbino

5:15 am on Aug 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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If there's a way to better convert Google Images I'd love to hear it. Right now our conversion rate for images is a small fraction of what it is for regular searches.

jomaxx

5:21 am on Aug 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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jay5r, in most cases I would expect the reload to generate a 304 if the browser bothers to contact the server at all. But this may not be true for dynamic pages, or for certain users I've observed who seem to have all cacheing turned off.

BTW, I did a survey recently of what it takes to rank high in Google's image search. One factor that appeared enough for me to note it, even if I didn't prove anything empirically, is a lack of break-out-of-frame code and anti-hotlinking code. Both of these things somewhat impede Google Images from doing its job, and it's possible they are somehow factored into the image search rankings even if they have no effect on Google's web search.

Not claiming this to be a fact, just an observation I'm throwing out there.

rupertsw

11:58 am on Aug 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Albino,

Well surely people searching for images will be less likely to convert anyway? If I'm looking to buy a widget, I'm hardly going to go through an image search!

I think that conversion rate is just going to be low for images. Such is life.

jay5r

12:54 pm on Aug 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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For some of us, our widets are images... The question is, does someone who wants to pay good money for a rights-managed image start by looking at Google images? We're just now starting to look in depth at where our customers come from and how they find us...

ALbino

3:46 pm on Aug 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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rupertsw,

That's what I've always assumed as well, but due to the large volume of traffic/bandwidth that Google Images incurs I'm very open to any suggestions on how to make it profitable :)