Forum Moderators: Robert Charlton & goodroi
1) Paying in some form (including "expedited directory submissions" or "advertising").
2) Having been online prior to 2000.
3) Being a net, computer, or software architect or developer of some form.
4) An early DMOZ editor.
5) Being a sizeable corporation.
6) Being freinds or or somehow engraciating yourself with 1 - 5.
Just curious...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'd say Google doesn't follow links inside NOSCRIPT tagIndeed your wrong... the no script tag is full of useful and accessible content. I don’t really want PR as I focus more on SERPS but you cant go wrong with my sure fire plan for PR7 to PR9.
I don't doubt it is full of useful content, the same as NOFRAMES tag, but I noticed Googlebot don't follow links inside these tags, unless there was additional reason involved.
The thing is the next highest PR on the site is only 3 (the home page and a few other main pages!). I do get a lot of traffic to the PR7 page which might help though.
One good thing is that if I place a link on the PR7 to one of my new creations it is indexed by yahoo and google within a couple of days - and they come back for more...
I know of quite a few sites that must have something in the area of a million dollars in revenues annually by doing nothing more than selling links (and of course furthering the myth about the continued importance of PR).
It's impossible to have a PR7 page without any links to it. Search engines don't even find such orphan pages.This is true... PR is a measure of other sites "votes" for your site expressed via links to it. With no votes (read: links), you'd have no PR.
That said, wrong toolbar PR does seem to show under some odd conditions. Here's a fellow WW member who had the same problem:
[webmasterworld.com...]
I've also read on this board that there is a way to create fake toolbar PR via some redirect scheme, but I don't image this applies here.
In either case, I don't think that would help one get indexed faster or spread PR to new pages, it's a Google bug.
I think all this is sort of getting straying a bit...
Anyone else with a PR 7 or above want to share their experience (rather than just enjoy the spoils in silence)?
The thing is the next highest PR on the site is only 3 (the home page and a few other main pages!). I do get a lot of traffic to the PR7 page which might help though.
One good thing is that if I place a link on the PR7 to one of my new creations it is indexed by yahoo and google within a couple of days - and they come back for more..."
And how do you get traffic to the PR7 page with no in-bound links?
Something doesn't add up here.
Of course the page could have spoofed PR, but then it isn't a "PR7" anymore than an Edsel with "BMW" painted on its hood is a BMW.
Don't patronise me mate. I get a lot of traffic because it is so high in the serps for many phrases.!"
From the beginning of PR we have only ever had that explanation i.e. you get PR from links. If the page has no IBLs then, by definition, it has no PR (except spoofed - but then why would you spoof a 7 when you can do a 10? It's not to sell ad space and still look credible is it? ;)). If you have a PR7 page with no IBLs then either we must all revise our views of how PR is distributed or we'll have to assume there's nothing in your claim.
Possibilities:
1. I hate to be er, patronising but when you say you have no IBLs do you mean no IBLs in a Google link: search?
2. It could be that you link to that page from tens of thousands of low PR pages elsewhere on the same site. And that this is the only page on this site with that many links.
3. You had one or two high PR IBLs that have now been pulled and the page will show a PR0 on the next PR update.
Note there is the possibility of some kind of Google glitch. With Google indexing billions of pages, it wouldn't surprise me that every now and then one accidentally gets assigned an unusually high PR.
DMOZ is a high-integrity organization. There are no shennanigans.
hahahahahahahahaha
Thanks for the laugh, I needed it
I didn't. You don't appear to know what an inbound link is. You are saying a page that has no links to it has been
1) found by Google's bots, by some miracle
2) assigned a random PR
3) gets search traffic, despite having zero anchor text of any kind
4) despite the fact that the page magically gets this traffic, you have chosen to not link to it in any way, ever
It's nonsense.
(FYI... the google link command is worthless... links from your own pages are inbound links and count for PR)
PR is one factor among several others used by the algorythm of Google to sort de SERPS. However I think it's an important one. What has made the success of Google is that it gives more importance to the sites which have many sites that link to it. Most of those sites have a high PR.
Would like to ask you something as im interested in your view. Im not expert on PR
Q. Our site features in DmOZ and a number of other places and so has links to it. The home page is a PR6 and various pages off it loads are 5s,4s etc, etc.
If we keep building quality pages on the site that get ranked as say PR5s, would a volume of quality pages on the site push the home page to say a PR7 or can a pr7 only be obtained by getting PR8s etc linking to it?.
I ask this because i get frustrated that a newspaper group site with a PR8 can start a poor designed website, link to it from its parent site and it gets a PR7 rating yet its a bag of nails. Meanwhile im working my row out building content and not getting the same status
Your thoughts apreciated
Cheers
<META NAME="Google_PR" CONTENT="7">
<META NAME="DMOZ_Include" CONTENT="True">
I found it so cool that I included it in one of my sites - giving the true information, of course. I hope Google guidelines checkers have enough sense of humour to not ban the site for it :))
Fryman - I second that one! lmao!
You do have the ability to pass along the PR effect of a PR6 page, but basically making some PR5 pages, then linking to your PR6 page from them, this is a fairly small benefit that is dwarfed by the ability of a PR8 to spit out PR7s whenever it wants.
Ive been linking pages back to the home and from the home to sections so understand where your coming from regarding passing PR to internal pages. Many internal pages are PR5 on the site.
So to jump to a PR7 i need to find a PR8 site to link to my home page then or how many links from PR6 sites do you think i would need to equal the same?
Rich
Finding PR8 or 7 would be the easiest way in my opinion, even several PR8's 7's that link to you.
PR is based on many many factors and most sites are different and unique anyway. To GUESS how many PR6 sites it would take to get YOUR unique site to the 7 or 8 position would be nearly impossible. There is nothing to compare you to unless there is an exact mirror of your site out there that has PR7, in that case just do what you did to that one!
What has made the success of Google is that it gives more importance to the sites which have many sites that link to it. Most of those sites have a high PR.
I agree that PR was a brilliant concept that revolutionized (not to mention having created untold billionaries). However, once webmasters learned how to manipulate it, Google began to steadily devalue its importance. Now it's not uncommon to see PR7s and PR8s being outranked ranked by a PR3. I didn't notice a lot of this in the old days. Anyone with a couple grand to spend can get a PR 7 now... Google knows it and has made their adjustments.
That is not true. I have been for years trying to get my main blog site into DMOZ. My older and now kept only for archival purposes blog is still there, incorporated during the early days of DMOZ. But my new sites never got in despite following all their rules and checking every 6 months as they say. It is a PR 6 on home page with many 6 and 5 pages below, referenced by several A-list bloggers, quoted in magazines etc. But no that is not good enough for DMOZ.
I even offered them to replace my old site with the new one without effect.
How can I think DMOZ is a high integrity organization. Frankly I think there are quite some bad apples thriving there and serving their own and their friends interest. That DMOZ editors are not held accountable for their decisions and can be successfully appealed perpetuates these travesties.
I even applied for being an editor which was denied. I can assure you I have more than enough qualifications to be a DMOZ editor for the categories I proposed :)
I also noticed that very new sites (started this year) from network bloggers got included there immediately.
> DMOZ editorship does NOT provide any benefit to how Google views a website.
That is not true either. DMOZ'ed sites definitely rank much higher than others with comparable situations because DMOZ is replicated by several sites. Having links from DMOZ ensures several high quality links (including DMOZ) and sure several not so high quality links too, but lots of links overall.
I know I have been harsh above but this is the truth and anything gentler wouldn't do justice to the situation. Frankly I think DMOZ is rapidly losing its utility as a reliable reference.
> DMOZ is a high-integrity organization.That is not true. I have been for years trying to get my main blog site into DMOZ.
I agree with your point that it's going downhill.... but not for the reasons you offer i.e. because it didn't list you. ;)
Frankly I think DMOZ is rapidly losing its utility as a reliable reference.
I met someone here a long time ago who once used DMOZ to search for something. I think he was the only one. Since he died I don't think they found a replacement.
[edited by: oddsod at 7:49 am (utc) on July 17, 2005]
It's impossible to have a PR7 without any backlinks. If you want anyone here to believe you, then post the URL to your PR7 web page.
I am not surprised that you have bailed on this thread without backing up your claim. As the other posters have stated - what you have boasted is impossible.
Nice try!
DMOZ is bound to be a failure unlike other collaborate efforts because there is no coherent feedback loop. For example in Linux development a contributors quality is assessed by the quality of the patches he submits. By consistently submitting high quality of work he gets more and more responsibility.
In DMOZ the editors are not judged for their quality and non-partisan behavior. However the submitters are harshly judged if they submit too often. What incentive do the editors have to behave honestly?
True you can report abuse by editors. Have anyone seen anything come out of it?
Also DMOZ is clearly inadequate to cope up with the high volume of growth of the web. It was a good solution 5 years back, now it is a fossil IMHO.
How can you ensure the quality of content in such scenario?
I know there is some value in contextual information. However we rarely seem to use it these days.
I wonder if the whole directory business is going the way of dodo.
Wish you a happy weekend.
BTW: Sorry to others for hijacking the PR 7 thread.
I guess I will realize the great value of PR 7+ once I get it somewhere on my site :)
"7)having a really good site, preferably in a popular topic area." - I want to see how possible it really is, I'm skeptical (though, not cynical ;-)
"The best page in the universe" has a PR7
<META NAME="Google_PR" CONTENT="7">
And just like that - the #1 secret of the SEO business is put into the public domain.
PR 7 ... only check it once per year ... only your number "2" is correct (1997).
