Forum Moderators: Robert Charlton & goodroi
I have noticed in recent months a remarkable shift in the way Google employees communicate with the webmasters communities.
For one reason or the other the Googlers have stopped posting weather reports about the new infrastructure. No more posts explaining critical changes on the serps. No more talking about specific DCs as they use to do. No more chat when it comes to Google serps and possible changes which are so clear and obvious to even novice webmasters. The only thing we have been hearing is the famous "Data Refresh".
Of course, one of the reasons for the shift in Google's communication policy mightbe the continuous trouble the Googles are into since the deploy of BigDaddy.. "if you have no good news..keep quite".
If its true that the Googlers have decided not to talk to us anymore about the serps, DCs and possible filters, algo changes and announcing possible updates. Do those same Googlers deserve to be invited anymore to the webmasters conferences and meetings, for example?
What will be the consequences of Google shift in Google-Webmasters communication policy?
Many thanks in advance for your contributions to the thread.
IMHO (again), the old timers are far more important to this forum's dynamic than any interaction with the Google mainstream. However, my respect goes out to Reseller for making Googleguy re-appear (Almost uncanny some might say).
Col :-)
[edited by: colin_h at 11:00 pm (utc) on July 27, 2006]
Do you blame them rich? If you owned google is that not what you would do?
p.s love your blogspot
Please look at result 4 and 5 for the query … cheap scrubs … I think you will find it interesting. You may also search on 72.14.207.104, but any handy data center will do.
P.S. to trinorthlighting, please see,
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If you haven't noticed, just a mere appearance on your part reduces the anxiety level around here, and restores the possibilities for more productive dialogue.
P.S. I particularly like your use of the word "evergreen". It's positively calming for perhaps what are the most irksome elements of all processes under continuous development.
I think GoogleGuy is a bit like "James Bond", you will never beat Sean Connery (Matt Cutts) the Original. So you have to accept whatever google throws at us next even if its George Lazenby (Adam).
I understand that, but sometimes if a post fits, it sticks, time will tell.
Stop telling people to "check their sites" like they don't know what they are doing. People are sick and tired of hearing it when the site in question has ranked high for years and its not "bad coding".
This attitude reminds me of someone who contacted me for a job lately. I turned him down after checking out the sites he redesigned that were full of validation errors, deprecated code and inadequate use of CSS. What was his response when I pointed it out? WHAT? I'm not wasting my time with that!
This attitude reminds me of someone who contacted me for a job lately. I turned him down after checking out the sites he redesigned that were full of validation errors, deprecated code and inadequate use of CSS. What was his response when I pointed it out? WHAT? I'm not wasting my time with that!
So when I hear of this one personal anecdote that is supposed to poo-poo anyone hurt by Google blundering you bet I'll point out the falacious reasoning. Maybe you just got lucky. This time.
[edited by: Atomic at 5:45 am (utc) on July 28, 2006]
[edited by: MattCutts at 5:51 am (utc) on July 28, 2006]
I guess I was on target when I wrote in a previous post (#:3023966) on this thread the following few lines:
"IMO, the golden days of Google-Webmasters communications were the days of our kind member GoogleGuy (GG). He was very helpful, friendly and most important tolerant to critic (and bashing). GG was always there when we needed him. Q&A of GG were very popular indeed. And most of us looked at GG as part of our webmasters community, rather than as only a Google employee."
And this thread is an excellent example of a successful Google-Webmasters communications. Thanks to to you all for great contributions and thanks a bunch to GoogleGuy for taking the time to contribute to the thread.
GoogleGuy asked us Let me turn it around: how could we do better?.
Lets us be creative and come up with few constructive suggestions for improving Google-Webmasters communications.
Here is my contribution:
- More frequent weather reports (interim weather reports are most welcome too).
- Availability of Googlers on webmasters forums to answer questions.
- GoogleGuy/Googlers Q&A sessions
- Place and procedure to report problems. Sitemaps could be a possibility.
Just wish to mention that in the past, GoogleGuy use to give us specific email to use in reporting problems.
and of course I can continue, but prefer to leave for other kind members the opprtunity to contribute with few creative suggestions.
Wish you all a great day.
Very generous of you to take the time to visit us and post feedback. Highly appreciated!
" reseller, I take your point that several folks would like to hear more specifics about datacenters, data refreshes, and weather forecasts. I talk about some of that on my site, but I can certainly keep it in mind and try to discuss stuff like that more often."
Yes, Matt. That is exactly what the majority of us wish to see. You have done a great job on your blog at the beginning of BigDaddy, and we wish to see you continue on that great path. :-)
"I think you're getting up as I'm going to bed, reseller. :) "
I guess you are right again. Wish you good night and God bless.
Kirby, summer is a time when it's easier to deploy new infrastructure, because less people are searching. At the WebmasterWorld conference in Boston I put up a PowerPoint slide to illustrate how tough it would be to be a dedicated data center watcher, because of the different things going on at different places. My point was that I think many people will watch individual data centers less and less over time.
But I sometimes forget how much many people *do* monitor data centers to see what they can figure out.
I'm gonna head to bed--talk to folks later.
[edited by: MattCutts at 6:16 am (utc) on July 28, 2006]
You and I both know REAL programmers never go to bed before 3am...
Great to see you on this side of the fence!
A little positive feedback. I have noticed that our site has slowly been making a come back. Earlier this month we actually got to see some visible PR show up in that little green bar. Links started to appear for internal pages as well as showing FROM internal pages. This is a better sign for us - I don't care about rankings I will take what we get naturally - I just want to see us fully indexed. This was our first real hiccup we have ever experienced and it was a doozy.
Just wondering when should we expect another refresh. Also how often are backlinks updated now - are they calculated on a regular basis as Gbot finds them. I know pages seem to add on a continuous basis and if that is true what is the purpose of a data refresh? Is it more of heaftier/complete calculation of factors/data cleanup or what?
Also there has been issues about 301's lately. Especially www and no-www. Are 301's working as they should? On an older established sites one worry is redirecting non-www to www or vice versa may have adverse effects. Do you see any possibility of adverse effects with older sites and the www/non-www redirects? Cearing this up would definately knock out much worry as a possible cause. It seems to come up over and over again.
[edited by: arubicus at 7:02 am (utc) on July 28, 2006]
Maybe it's time to do a miscellaneous question thread on my site, too?
No offense Matt, But as someone who detest censorship, I'd prefer you did the Q&A on a site where you do not have full ablility to delete posts.
On your blog, you can do whatever you want. But I've seen far too many non-offensive questions/comments get deleted over there.
Don't feel like answering on a "neutral" board, that's fine too.
But deleting legitimate posts scores low points for me for the "open communication" PR campaign you are currently promoting....
On your blog, you can do whatever you want. But I've seen far too many non-offensive questions/comments get deleted over there.
Matt hasn't deleted any of my obnoxious posts to the best of my knowledge so he can't be THAT big of a censor. However, define neutral ground, WebmasterWorld and other forums delete posts too, so it's going to be filtered just about anywhere.
to the best of my knowledge
exactly....to best of your knowledge
define neutral ground
"a site where you do not have full ablility to delete posts."
WebmasterWorld and other forums delete posts too, so it's going to be filtered
Posts on WW don't get deleted simply because they are "obnoxious".
As I said originally, non-offensive posts get deleted or simply never "approved" (whatever you want to call it).
I'm not going to get into a big argument about it. It's simply a request. Matt's a big boy. I'm sure he can speak for himself.
It's like seeing Clark Kent and Superman in the same bar.....
Matt Cutts and Googleguy in the same thread....?
It's like seeing Clark Kent and Superman in the same bar.....
You stole my line!
