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On-page stuff doesn't seem to matter nearly as much as links with MSN.
Has anybody ever done well with MSN with on page factors alone, with few inbound links?
Yes, all the time. One website I have is a reader-based website. Most of the specific articles rank well in MSN with only one link to them, from my own site navigation.
Medium to high competitive keywords.
Links do seem to be slowly meaning more in MSN.
Do any of you guys think that it's worth ignoring Google and shooting for #1 at MSN? Is there enough traffic, and does it convert? I'm curious, as I might try this with one site.
Do any of you guys think that it's worth ignoring Google and shooting for #1 at MSN?
I have a site that earns almost $1000 from Adsense every month and gets less than 5% of its traffic from Google. About 80% is from MSN. I'd love for it to rank as well at Google too, of course, but you can do well from just MSN, if the niche is popular.
some personal thoughts:
i had a few successful sites (in terms of dollars earned) with msn and the traffics are well converted. while google is still burying my site in their sandbox, msn give me strength to continue my development on those sites. since google sandbox will be there to trap us down either way, i suggest we do things that msn like (ie boost link popularity via paid links) and work on google algo at the later stage. make sense? wish to have more ideas on this.
Google Images: 333,611 links last month (80.3% of search engine traffic)
Google: 70,497 links (16.9%)
Yahoo!: 5,713 links (1.3%)
MSN: 869 (0.2%)
They're all crawling the site, but not nearly as much as Google:
Google: 434,817 hits, 10.5GB last month
Yahoo!: 51,540 hits, 1.04GB
MSN: 8,580 hits, 266MB
The site has been up in its current form for a year now and had a track record before that as well so it should be out of any sandboxes by this point. The domain registration did change last fall when the company was sold, but I'm not sure if Yahoo! and MSN monitor that or not.
The site is an e-commerce site selling rights-managed medical illustrations. It has a fair number of quality inbound links, but almost no outbound links (just due to the nature of the site).
I've done quite a bit of SEO with the site - and from Google's perspective, it's worked great. It's just the other search engines aren't responding. Any suggestions?