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This experience has made me think that perhaps a number of sites that get dumped in other search engine updates are in fact not using black-hat tactics but just get crunched like I did.
I was impressed that MSN had the guts to admit they made a mistake.
As far as I can see all other pages on the site are still in the index - exept the homepage.
It's not showing up when i do a search for my site "wwWebmasterWorldebsite.com"? No high risk SEO - only some link exchanges.
"wwWebmasterWorldebsite.com" is a major money term and I was ranking #4
It took a number of weeks for the URL to reappear in an URL: search and it's still listed URL-only at the moment, but it'd still be completely gone if I hadn't simply asked them about it.
Meanwhile Google and Yahoo have thousands indexed. I have contacted msn UK twice so far. Both times i got a reply saying it was being passed onto technical, then nothing.
Ive given up with them anyway, i cant see any reason for a penulty we are a very high page rank site in Google, we run a detailed site with plently of rich content, it did rank well on MSN prior to the update, so they changed something which had the effect of removing our own pages from the index rather than adding to them!.
The answer it seems is the pernicious use of Google ads on my front page!
None of the sites ranking above me have them. My decline from front page to off the map coincides with the implementation and recent competing MSN text ads.
[edited by: engine at 3:52 pm (utc) on Aug. 19, 2005]
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MSN likes keyword urls, Keyword titles, exact anchor links, thin sites with static pages and likes to skim/ top surface sites.
Its very easy to rank 1 in msn if you want to but it can cost you position in google.
Currently MSN is not worth the effort due to a) the results being so poor and b) the low level of traffic reach it has anyway.