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5:08 am on Jun 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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What do you think? Is this the MSN engine now?
5:21 am on June 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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really big changes happening in the results right now is what I mean people.
5:24 am on June 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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What sector?
5:29 am on June 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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What kind of changes (any specific changes...)
5:40 am on June 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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the changes I'm talking about just got "edited" & out here on a previous message.

We are talking about a big sector!

7:16 am on June 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Still not able to find any specific changes...Can anybody help...
6:26 pm on June 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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weird...I see the big changes but seems I'm the only one on the internet that does? My stats prove it too...very weird nobody else commenting?

I'm in southern California...

1:02 am on June 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Suddenly -

I see it too. I don't get a lot of traffic from MSN, but it's trippled starting yesterday (Monday).

I also noticed an unusally large increase for me when doing the site: search. For some reason, MSN has about 400 pages too many. My site serves the financial information sector.

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I see big changes in the industry I monitor. Just noticed them now, not sure they will stay, but hopefully they will. ;-)
10:22 pm on June 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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This is a new algo update in MSN. That's what the folks in the MSN Booth at pubcon told me.
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Results in my area look better.

Initial observations:

- On-page factors seem to be more important now.
- The 'quantity of links' knob has been turned down a little.
- Still doesn't like ranking deeper pages (e.g. for "cheap widget X400" it prefers www.example.com/widgets/index.html to www.example.com/widgets/widget-x400.html).

1:11 am on June 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It seems to like static .html pages better, and script generated pages are de-emphasized.
1:39 am on June 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Something sure has happened, a bunch of my sites were missing in action since the day the new search went online and have only showed a single line listings ever since with no synopsis whatsoever. Today suddenly they're all back but far lower in the SERPs than they used to be, but I have no doubt they'll move back up, but who can tell as the new MSN is psycho compared to Yahoo or Google.
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I also am seeing good results in MSN for the keyword phrases we went after.
2:26 am on June 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I continue to see traffic increase from the new algo. I've got a lot of 500 - 1,200 word articles using standard SEO techniques that are ranking well. Nothing spammy - focusing on Brett's 26 steps.
2:32 am on June 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Strangest serps I've ever seen on any SE.

One travel sector search I check regularly shows the SAME scraper page duplicated on 4 different domains in the top 10. The exact same page.

But the kicker is that the scraper didn't even scrap the correct keyword --for a travel term (foo city hotels) it scraped women's cosmetics/student loans/weight loss/etc!

P...U

...[holding nose]...

3:20 am on June 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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supposed to have introduced neural networks into the algo. C'mon Neuron, where are you? :-)
3:45 am on June 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have checked my index in MSN. They index larger pages than Google and Yahoo did. My ranking is also ranked well . They also index the links greater Yahoo and Google.
4:36 am on June 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My sites are doing well, but these results are odd. Lots of sub domains along with interior pages outranking main page.
4:39 am on June 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I track a few hundred keywords through #*$! and see a rank change for 95% of them in the past few days. Some up some down (lost the best #1 i had -DAMN!)

I have a few hundred newish domains that still didn't get picked up. =/ shoooot.

But i did gain a few great #1's. One is a very big SoAm countries name!

So mostly I'd say I improved. But I am glass half full kinda guy. I've lost a small amount of traffic in my big sites (7% overall down to 5.5%) But picked it up on many of the smaller ones.

Just wish they'd added more to their index. Looks like just a shuffle.

Any experiencing new sites added?

6:19 am on June 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Firstly, Martinibuster, thanks for getting this on the front page. Now I have to WORK! and at Pubcon too :(

The results are massively different for me - thankfully for the better. Fresh too - because they are listing pages that have tracking urls put erronously on some pages - which were only online for under a weak, less than two weeks ago. Sadly hijacking my own pages! (Doh!). Bug to fix there... Hopefully 301s will kick in soon to fixd that.

It looks like the UK index has (is?) updating at the same time.

So - is it an update that is done and dusted, or do we have an MSNdance for the next day or two?

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For the folks at pubcon...

while your at it, can you ask why MSN "force feeds" local/country results - instead of offering opt-in?

check the differences between

- [search.msn.uk...]

and

- [search.msn.com...]

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Looking at my pages that have dropped in position, they all have the meta keywords string appearing in the snippet prior to the meta description. Other pages without meta keywords being displayed are still ranking well.

Why is MSN displaying meta keywords?

7:06 am on June 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Your UK link for MSN should be

[search.msn.co.uk...]

7:23 am on June 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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In my niche sector it seems that

- keywords in title are important ( 3 to 5 keywords )

- keyword order in title is important

- keyword in URL are important

Sites that used to rank fine just using thousand of internal links pages, are lowering their rank..

For example few days ago several sites having a Dmoz clone in their site, with additonal links to increase the number of internal links, had a good rank: now, no way....

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Did I miss mention of this... page counts are much higher, but for all sites I've check so far, they cut off at 250 pages displayed for a site:example.com search.

I fear the bigger numbers are thus just baloney since sites under 250 pages are still usually poorly indexed.

Some scattered clear improvements, but in general still an abysmal search engine overrun with subdomain garbage (when nobody cares to spam blogs with this subdomain trash the results for such searches are decent).

8:51 am on June 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The results are absolutely dire, the worst ever.

Top skim of websites, very little deep crawling. If the title, meta description and domain address include the keywords it ranks high.

In my sector the top 20 all include the keyword in the address. On our own site the pages rich in content about the keyword have fallen back and out of depths MSN list other pages on our site that didnt previously feature, that have less information but include /widget in the page address - just proves the point.

The number one position is a site with the key word three times in the title, 14 times in the meta description and once in the address line.

Number two position is a spam page with a re-direct to the sites home page.

Spam rules OK now at MSN - they should put them back to how they were previously the results were much better imo

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I have seen the changes for 1-2 weeks now and you are right htm/html site finely gets spidered fully that why they improve in the serps, we also have notice that most spam IS created by dynamic pages.
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The number one position is a site with the key word three times in the title, 14 times in the meta description and once in the address line.

Not to mention the fact that most of the top10 results in my niche are occupied by domains-that-have-way-too-many-dashes-in-the-name.com

Hope this udpate doesn't stick.

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Just looked at some SERPs from MSN and cracked up.
My page is listed 6, listed 5 is an affiliate link from my site complete with my user ID etc.
Nothing remotely intelligeble in the title or description.
Does this mean anchor text is king in MSN?
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