Forum Moderators: mack
What's particluarly bizarre about this fiasco is that Gates was poo-poo'ing the notion of keyword search, and then these results are entirely based on keywords in URL.MSNdude, seriously, there simply is nothing to talk about when *all* the top results are keyword domains, either keyword.tld or keyword-1-x.tld.
Agree pretty much with SteveB.
Get ready for domain-buying frenzy, as kw in domain takes on a whole new importance!
Also I've noticed that nearly all the top sites for a search have the keywords in the their domain name.
My rating: very poor
OK a title like key-key-key-key, thats to much
taskmaster
I'm really surprised that none of you have commented on the insta-spam report button they have. That little icon that looks like it's a page rank or something... It's a feedback link to a spam report page. I think it may be equivilant to AOL adding the instant spam report button to their email awhile back.
I don´t agree, at least not at 100%
searching for my kewords city + villas
I am fourth, and in my domain the word villas is not present, same as in many other sites on first page.
Even though many had the word villas in domain or in subpage.
Seems to be mixed up keyword in domain, title and content.
There is one thing that I like about it, Google is far too dominant, MSN might be able to sway the balance.
Tons of SPAM.
But, I am not seeing kw-kw-kw-kw-kw.com sites at all. In fact I have a bunch of these doamins that I used for Yahoo! directory back in the day and these sites are not even in the index!
Search: Blue Widgets
Result 1: BlueWidgets.com
or
Results 1: Blue-Widgets.com
Thats sad since that means that in some keywords the guy who put up an affiliate link spamming site gets number 1 position ust because he registered the domain in 1996. Whereas a MAJOR authority site has dominated discussion of blue widgets gets page 4 because its name is Kozmo.com (no.. not really kozmo.com).
Do a search for "search engine" what I am saying becomes obvious:
Results 1: SearchEngineWatch.com
Results 2: Dogpile.com
Results 3: Altavista.com
Result 4: Google.com
Now... if there was EVER an authority search engine site out there... google is it. I,d understand if msn made sure they were above google.. but msn search isnt even on the first page.
The first result is AGAIN the one with the kw in its domain.
[edited by: zulufox at 12:59 pm (utc) on July 1, 2004]
Very cool. Not sure how they generate it. But, it is far more useful than Google's snippet.
They must be indexed, since I see plenty of back links, but the sites do not show for domain, or title.
I would rather see a new search engine filter-out results over time then start out with "top sites" excluded or penilized.
For one keyword I tried, only 2 out of the 15 results on the first page were websites that are considered major players in the field. The other 13 might as well have been personal homepages, they were so bad.
For one of my own keyword phrases, different pages of my own website came up on 13 out of the 15 results.
With these results, I just might be looking at early retirement in Tahiti too!
----------------------
Use command link:http://www.yourdomain.com
NOT link:www.yourdomain.com which won't work
For those who said the results are bad, I'm wondering which url you use to check the results for future MSN search - this one [techpreview.search.msn.com...] or Web Search [sandbox.msn.com?...]
zulufox, if you use [techpreview.search.msn.com...] for "search engine", you will definitely see different results. The results you mention seems to come from [sandbox.msn.com...] or [msn.com...]
I suspect that you guys look at the wrong url by following the 2nd post of msndude which confuses the webmasters. I lost nearly 30 minutes today because of this and my feeling is very bad, only to learn later that I check at the wrong place. I assume the right one should be [techpreview.search.msn.com...] and my mood flys as the results are great!
BTW ..Msndude ..if I may offer another comment/suggestion as to user friendlyness/landing page etc ...
you have this at your french language page :
(sorry I never did work ou how to do colors and bold text here at WebmasterWorld )
**
Bienvenue à une avant-première de la nouvelle technologie de recherche de MSN
Ce que nous avons à vous faire découvrir? Un tout nouveau moteur de recherche algorithmique créé de toutes pièces à partir de technologie Microsoft. Jetez-y un coup d'oeil. dites-nous ce que vous pensez.
Ce site sera disponible pendant une courte période. Dès que nous aurons incorporé vos commentaires et ajouté quelques fonctions, il fera sa réapparition, renouvelé et amélioré.
**
I'd go instead for this ( below ) its more elegant /readable and I've sorted out your grammar which was "naf" and a bit "babel fishy"
**
Bienvenue à l'avant-première d'une nouvelle technologie de recherche de MSN
Ce que vous allez découvrir : un nouveau moteur de
recherche algorithmique créé entièrement à partir des
technologies Microsoft. Jetez un coup d'oeil.Dites-nous
ce que vous en pensez.
Ce site sera disponible pendant une courte durée. Dès la réception de vos commentaires et l'ajout de quelques fonctions, le site reviendra renouvelé et amélioré.
Merci de faire part de toutes vos suggestions.
**
hope you don't mind the "improvements"
..but google became successfull because of the quality of its serps and it's landing page ...
(copy sent to your "comments" team via your site )
[edited by: Leosghost at 2:30 pm (utc) on July 1, 2004]
By the way, msndude, please, lets not play the paid inclusion game ok? Its just not worth it.
Must have been an expired domain that someone picked up - the text is totally irrelevant to the subject (it's text about lingerie, couldn't be further from it - and a photo of a gorilla).
It's just got the keyword phrase in the hyphenated domain name, H1, anchor text in a link at the top going to the page it's on, and a whole left menu filled with all the keywords for the product line the search is for.
Title, domain name, H1 and anchor text - that's about it.
1. keyworddomainname.com has a huge advantage. But not 100% dominant. An example being my 1 month old website, which is not even indexed in G yet is ranking well. In google this particular game returns over 2 million results and 9 or the top 10 spots are conquered by Big Game sites such as ign, gamespot, and gamefaqs. The google result isn't bad as it shows the bigger, more authoritative site. However, like the way MSN is doing it (a different approach).
2. link popularity is definitely depreciated in this new MS search. Bad for the great sites that people really love; good for countering "link purchase/sell" which is getting to widespread.
just my 2c
Something interesting DID come up though.
I searched my main keyword (I am ranked 350 for this keyword in google) and a page of mine is ranked 65!
This isnt what is interesting however... what is interesting is that the page ranked 65 isnt my homepage but it is a page with links to different categories of articles on my site.
Why did this page show up and not my homepage?
It isnt the URL.. which is:
not-a-keyword.com/Q/QLinks/Articles/
Its not site template or title (since they are the same).
This ONLY different is in the page´s contents. My homepage has 2.2% kw and this page has 4.6% keywords.
No comments on how low my keyword count is please.. but it does show that it matters and matter quite a bit.
[theregister.co.uk...]
One thing that I am curious about, and what we won't see until launch, is how MSN is going to monetize search: What will the pages look like after all the "Click here," "No, click here" stuff is added around the SERPs?
Gotta' run, time to reactivate that old keyword-keyword-keyword-keyword.com domain.
Do my websites dominate? yes ;). But to be honest, there are far 'superior' sites that should be above me, but are nowhere to be found. And also a lot lot of junk above me too.
1. Its slow
2. It sometimes complains about 'no results'. Refresh and suddenly that problem goes away
3. I am seeing a *lot* of spam results.
4. Its ugly :p
Again, from a normal searcher's perspective, this puppy is not good.
It looks nice. The people who love it seem either to like the look or that they're getting nice results for their own site.
I'm afraid, however, the anti-spam filters here are awful. They're deadful. This is twice as disappointing because MSN search have made big anti-spam promises.
It can't cope with the load. Okay. Fair enough, it's a preview under a lot of weight right now.
[techpreview.search.msn.co.uk...] is embarrassing because, when it can handle the load, returns no results. I know techpreview.search.msn.co.uk isn't officially being launched today - but MSN should have expected people to look.
I'm seeing hundreds. - you don't seem to be counting things like unclosed P tags.
Yes, I agree. Unclosed paragraph tags would rank right up there in the top things searchers care about :-¦.
MQ
This needs some more work and more crawling to do before it is even half baked.
Perfect? No. Right direction? Yeah!
I can't wait for this to go live, but I'm biased. I am nowhere to be found in the current (St)Ink based results. Found my sites easily on this. Seems almost like the Google algo from a year or so ago in terms of where I rank.
