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6:53 am on Aug 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I met a friend today who had adsense inserted in his site by his webmaster. His site is a company website just to showcase his products and get orders. In short he is a exporter of steel utensils and does not need adsense. As nobody will want competitor ads being shown on website. The interesting part is his web developer had misguided him telling that ads by google is an indication that your site is regularly watched by google and the serps will get better by the day.
I want to take serious action against the web developer.
What can I do?
7:07 am on Aug 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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If it were me I would simply give my friend my opinion, making it clear that that is all it was, then walk away and have nothing further to do with the situation.
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I am not surprised, I have hosted my websites with 6 webhosting companies here and 5 of these give lousy service or always try to cheat you. If the domain name is actually registered in your friends name (most companies register in their own name), he can shift hosting and then report to Google. Someday I plan to compile a directory of these crooks they have caused a lot of headache
8:47 am on Aug 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Of course I explained him exactly what was going on. However I also want to teach the web developer a lesson.
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recommend your friend to email google telling them it it his site, the reason the ads were placed there and ask them to credit all clicks from that URL back from a specific date to the advertisers, that will teach the webmaster a lesson
9:41 am on Aug 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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recommend your friend to email google telling them it it his site, the reason the ads were placed there and ask them to credit all clicks from that URL back from a specific date to the advertisers

Risky operation. If Google interprets the email in a slightly wrong way, they might interpret it as the site needing to be penalized instead of the webmaster, or both. This might have the consequence that the site is added to the Google AdSense blacklist and that--if your friend ever wants to display AdSense on this site for his own purpose--causes Google ads to be blocked.

There have recently been some posts about closed AdSense accounts because of "association" with other banned accounts. How far does this association go? If Google flags the webmasters' account and website to be associated with refunded clicks to advertisers, I don't know what happens if on a later date a new publisher (the real owner) signes up for AdSense on that specific website. Google might look in their history, see the refunded clicks and respond with "Sorry, your website doesn't meet our criteria".

Try to convince the webmaster that something is wrong, not Google. The latter is way too risky.

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Give your friend some advice and suggest him a good webmaster.

Cheating is no good.

Reporting the webmaster / hosting company does not help.
I am a webmaster myself and have reported my hosting company a few times, for adsense related cheating, but with no effect.

Best is to play safe.

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Hi Morpheus83

If the webmaster inserted the ads with his own account - then you should do something. If he used the account of your friend then you should say thanks for the good work. Why so?

1. Ads from competitors may be blocked if your friend doesn't wants them on his page.

2. The concept of the webmaster is correct. It is possible that Google will send more visitors.

Google will not earn a lot from company websites that show adsense ads. Normally not. But something is remarkable - Google gets feedback of how targeted a websites content is. In fact, Google needs to separate scrapers and other unrelevant content from good content. Because users want content - not scraped stuff.

Google is able to realize deep tracking with adsense - that delivers them valuable information about the content and user reactions on the page. Furthermore, the webmaster of a website has to register for adsense - incorporating himself as a real person.

I believe this webmaster has done a good job.

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Well my friend has a succesful business set up he does not need to generate income from adsense, as his exports runs in millions of dollars. I am thinking of using the Report a voilation in the feedback menu and report it all to adsense.
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The new TOS don't permit inserting Adsense onto a page without permission, as I read them, anyway.
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I am thinking of using the Report a voilation in the feedback menu and report it all to adsense.

I am thinking, and it is just my opinion, that you should step back from this.

You have given someone who runs a multi-million pound business the benefit of your opinion. Surely he if he is competent to run such a business he is capable of weighing up your opinion against someone else's opinion and making his own decisions.

Remember you are not in possession of all the facts here, just what your friend told you and what you surmise. Parts of the story, not all of it.

As to whether he needs adsense or not, that is his decision, but I have never met a wealthy man, no matter how wealthy, who was not interested in earning more money, no matter how little.

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I totally agree with abbeyvet
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Just drop it. You can't penalize someone for the bad judgment of the site owner, who is ultimately responsible for what goes on the pages. The webmaster had implied permission to access and modify the site, and the owner simply should have done due diligence, which clearly wasn't done.

The webmaster may be ignorant, or incompetent, or intentionally tricky, but the site OWNER is responsible here, and who is also possibly ignorant, or hasn't done due diligence.

You can't punish someone for giving bad advice, in this situation. Caveat Emptor.

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Just a question - is the site owner the beneficiary of the Adsense revenue or the webmaster?

If it's not the owner then surely this is theft by the webmaster?

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I am thinking of using the Report a voilation in the feedback menu and report it all to adsense.

I am thinking, and it is just my opinion, that you should step back from this.

Maybe it's only part of the SEO contract.

The steel company gives a list of competitors for the ad filter.

The webmaster does his best for site optimization, because his income is determined by the AdSense performance of the site.

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As I had said earlier the benefitiary of the adsense clicks is the webmaster and not the site owner. It is not a part of the SEO work, infact he is not even doing SEO one fine day the webmaster inserted adsense and told that "Ads by google means that your site is ganing importance on Google.com search results and keeping it will ensure that your SERPS will improve."
However my main concern is that it creates a bad image for the site owner as if I were to make a big business deal with someone I would certainly not want to see his website displaying competitor ads.
I also had a look at other sites developed by the webmaster and all were running adsense.
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Alone the fact that the webmaster is insulting the intelligence of your friend is a reason for doing something. Check the revenue, perhaps the ads are bringing some dollars Since your friend is selling millions, as you say, the site should have pretty good traffic.
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anton23, seems you are mistaken the adsense code is not inserted by my friend but by the webmaster.
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I'd have to agree with abbeyvet on this one.

You've told your friend about it and gave your professional opinion.

Anything else you do to "get back" at this other webmaster may end up just dropping you down to his level.

If your friend is making millions, I'm sure he'll be smart enough to make his own decision on this.

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morpheus83,
I will not suggest you make any communications with google team on this. The best you can do is sent the URL of this thread to your friend and tell him "boss read this, your webmaster is crazy and making money for that you deserve".

secondly if your friend feels that its gud to show google ads, tell your friend to open an account on his own name and then put the ads.

You will soon see the webmaster saying "I think its okay without ads too"

lol

Best you can do is to stop the webmaster getting the money.
What do you say?

bye

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A frustrated customer had written an article on the blackmail and poor services of a particular web developer - why you should not use #*$!x .
It appeared on the SERPs, just after the webdevelopers home page, enough to caution prospective customers.
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I just removed adsense from that site. I feel that adsense should have more strict policies, such that ads appear only on those sites which you have applied for and not any sites. Similar practices are followed by all banner networks and Vibrant media's Intellitxt.
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is his web developer had misguided him telling that ads by google is an indication that your site is regularly watched by google and the serps will get better by the day.

Google says very clearly (somewhere) that participation in AdSense will not help or hurt your rankings. However, IMO there are possible indexing benefits. Your site could get crawled faster and deeper because of the Mediabot finding new URLs to index. If you have a dynamic site (e.g. a forum), Google will find out about every new URLs within minutes. That could be a not insignificant benefit.

That doesn't excuse what the webmaster did, which sounds very sleazy, but I thought it was worth mentioning.

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Just saw the developer's website he has also copied Google's logo the different colored globes.
1:57 pm on Aug 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hello morpheus83 -

From the perspective of AdSense ToS, as long as your friend's site is compliant with AdSense program policies, the webmaster is welcome to place his AdSense code on the site. Once the AdSense ad code is pasted into a site, our technology automatically detects the new site and begins serving relevant ads.

Secondly, as other publishers have mentioned, it's true that filters can be used to block competitor ads from appearing on your friend's site. Many e-commerce publishers are able to use competitive ad filters to benefit from the AdSense program (see
[webmasterworld.com ] for a recent thread on this topic).

You may, however, wish to direct your friend's attention to the following page on the AdSense support site:

[google.com ]

While we'd obviously love him to participate, he should probably know that AdSense will not impact his site's ranking in the Google search results. It sounds like his webmaster may have provided him with inaccurate information in this regard.

-ASA

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Also, as far as I understand that's against the TOS.

As i just wuoted in another thread:


5 Prohibited Uses. You shall not ... vi) ... incorporate the Ads ... in any ... Web site ... other than Your Site(s)

[google.com...]

So the webmaster was breaking the TOS

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I think that issue is more specifically covered in this section of the terms:
You represent and warrant that... You are the owner of each Site or that You are legally authorized to act on behalf of the owner of such Site(s) for the purposes of this Agreement and the Program

The "for the purposes of this Agreement and the Program" makes the whole thing clear as mud, but I don't think there's any question that putting your AdSense code on someone else's site without their knowledge or consent could get you in trouble in a lot of ways.

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From the perspective of AdSense ToS, as long as your friend's site is compliant with AdSense program policies, the webmaster is welcome to place his AdSense code on the site.

So that Google isn't the authority to punish the webmaster tricking the site owner and they will allow the ads as long as the site is compliant. Although this doesn't sound like what the official TOS say, that actually makes sense because you can not blame your webmaster for what he has done in this situation.

The information is there on the web. Google guys are there just an email ahead. The site owner should have asked whether the info is true or not before jumping on the idea of getting his site ranked high easily. I think both parties deserve some lesson here.