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Are Large sites ignore Google AdSense Terms of Service

         

Flibble

9:21 pm on Jul 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Here is an extract from a large internet site. It's under a "why is this here" link in the bottom right of the google ads.

" Google sponsored ... provide one-click access to relevant sites advertise with G. This generates revenue for us and helps us to continue offering our users a free, <snip> and robust experience, while providing 1 click access to relevant information."

Surely this is against the ToS, or do large sites have their own rules?

[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 3:47 pm (utc) on July 26, 2005]
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Nathan

9:25 pm on Jul 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Large sites do actaully have different rules... so it's possible Google approved it.

But you're right, normally this would be against the TOS.

Powdork

9:36 pm on Jul 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Not necesarily large sites, but premium publishers, play with a different rule book.

BeeDeeDubbleU

9:43 pm on Jul 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Has anyone tried contacting Google about this and asking if it is acceptable for the minions?

Flibble

9:45 pm on Jul 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I told google about the site and they said they would pass it on to the relevent department, then I never heard back from them.

AdSenseAdvisor

10:05 pm on Jul 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hi Flibble -

AdSense ToS prohibit publishers from encouraging users to click on the ads appearing on their sites; this applies to both large and small sites.

The reason for this is to prevent artificial inflation of advertiser costs, which in turn ensures the long-term sustainability of the AdSense program.

The example included in your post certainly seems to fall under this category. If you notice this type of language appearing on a site, please feel free to report it to adsense-abuse@google.com.

Thanks!

-ASA

Flibble

10:09 pm on Jul 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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As I said, I did report it! Google said they passed it on to the correct department and then I heard nothing.

The site I saw/can still see the violating text is a VERY large site btw, I would think it has over 100 million impressions per month.

sailorjwd

10:12 pm on Jul 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I used to have a similar statement on my site. Google reviewed it and approved. I ain't no premium publisher either.

Flibble

10:14 pm on Jul 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Why did you 'used to' have a statement like that? Did you remove it? If so, why?

I've reported the site again just to see if I get a proper reply from google this time.

ken_b

10:21 pm on Jul 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Google is very unlikely to give more than a very general response to such a complaint.

They may well act on the complaint.

But if you are hoping for a

"Hi (your name here); Thanks for reporting those cheaters at.........., we canceled their account"

I don't think it's going to happen.

mack

10:31 pm on Jul 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I cant see Google wanting to, or being allowed to tell you any more information about their investigations. If they where to let you know what happened they would break their own terms by disclosing information. All you can do is report it and leave it.

I reported a site months ago. Got a very similar email tellig me my message had been forwardeed to the correct person. End of conversation, no more communication with Google. Checked back on the site a few weeks later. An Adsense rival now in place, so I guess it works.

Be cautious though. Dont just drop a site in it because they happen to be yor competition. In my case I reported a site because it was operating illegaly. Big difference.

Mack.

sailorjwd

10:32 pm on Jul 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I removed it when I started letting some of you review my site. I didn't want to get any flack.

<affectionately>

[edited by: jatar_k at 10:51 pm (utc) on July 25, 2005]

Flibble

10:34 pm on Jul 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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But if Google said it's ok then what was the problem!

Also, I'm not trying to get this site banned, I just want to know WHY they can have a link like they do :)

Flibble

10:36 pm on Jul 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The site is also NOTHING AT ALL to do with mine! It's not even in the same universe content wise, i'm simply curious why they can say what they do.

sailorjwd

10:42 pm on Jul 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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If you want to find out if something is OK with TOS or not I recommend asking G specifically if you can put such and such on your site. For example see xyz.com

Whenever I haved asked a question in this manner I have gotten an immediate and fairly direct response.

But please don't reference my site :)

AdSenseAdvisor

11:03 pm on Jul 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Flibble –

To protect the privacy of our publishers, we may not be able to provide you with details regarding the outcome of any reports you make about potential policy violations. This is the case whether the site you report is large or small, as we value the privacy of all publishers.

However, we look into everything you send us. Please keep the suggestions, concerns, and questions coming.

-ASA

Sootah

2:32 am on Jul 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The site that comes to mind when you mention the "Why is this here" link is Excite.com.

They're more than likely a premium AdSense publisher, and the "why is this here" would pertain to them having a "competitors" service on their site.

BeeDeeDubbleU

8:03 am on Jul 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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ASA you said ...
AdSense ToS prohibit publishers from encouraging users to click on the ads appearing on their sites; this applies to both large and small sites.

then ...

To protect the privacy of our publishers, we may not be able to provide you with details regarding the outcome of any reports you make about potential policy violations. This is the case whether the site you report is large or small, as we value the privacy of all publishers.

I understand that this is the way it must be, but the fact that no action appears to have been taken in this instance suggests to we lesser mortals that you have let them continue with this. It seems to me that this violation is quite blatant and serious but it looks like you have allowed them to continue because they are still doing it. This is what is hard to understand.

trillianjedi

8:06 am on Jul 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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This is what is hard to understand.

I don't think it's all that hard to understand?

It's going to boil down to revenue - as mentioned at the beginning of the thread, a larger ultra-premium publisher will play to a different rule set.

TJ

BeeDeeDubbleU

1:33 pm on Jul 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Once again, as ASA said...
AdSense ToS prohibit publishers from encouraging users to click on the ads appearing on their sites; this applies to both large and small sites

Are you suggesting that ASA is being economic with the truth?

trillianjedi

2:22 pm on Jul 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Let me put it this way - I agree with you:-

It seems to me that this violation is quite blatant and serious but it looks like you have allowed them to continue because they are still doing it.

Because I see the same thing.

Personally I don't have a problem with it, but I would advise a smaller publisher not try the same.

TJ

hunderdown

2:59 pm on Jul 26, 2005 (gmt 0)



BeeBeeDubbleU:

ASA isn't being economic with the truth. The AdSense TOS says what it says. What does the AdSense Premium TOS say? (or whatever they call it)

BeeDeeDubbleU

9:55 pm on Jul 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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ASA said that the rule applies equally to both large and small sites. Wouldn't that include premium sites?

jomaxx

10:20 pm on Jul 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The site I see that text on is one of the largest sites on the Web, obviously a premium publisher. You generate that kind of business and Google will let you do it too.

By the way, reality check: That text is technically against the AdSense rules but I would hardly call this a blatant or serious violation.

Heartlander

10:22 pm on Jul 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Clicked on "Why is this here", and wadda ya know...a nice box pops up with that text described in a previous post.
Interesting.
Provides revenue for the site indeed.
It's not like they need any help, given their traffic...so why would the site resort to such a cheap tactic?

"I would hardly call this a blatant or serious violation. "

Are we classifying violations?

Rodney

10:29 pm on Jul 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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ASA said that the rule applies equally to both large and small sites. Wouldn't that include premium sites?

I think "large and small sites" and "premium sites" might be two different animals.

incrediBILL

10:48 pm on Jul 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I know of one premium publisher quite intimately and I do know Google has final approval on just about anything they do with AdSense. Being a premium publisher isn't carte blanche to run amok doing whatever you want without consequence but I'm sure the bigger the publisher the better the leverage.

BeeDeeDubbleU

9:08 am on Jul 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I think "large and small sites" and "premium sites" might be two different animals.

ASA? Is this true?

I am not really concerned about this one way or another. What concerns me is that in this case Google does not appear to trust we "large and small" sites with the truth. Or are those who say that the rules are different for premium customers wrong?

Flibble

6:03 pm on Aug 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I got a reply which surprised me:

"As you may know, encouraging users to click on the ads that you are serving through AdSense is not permitted by our program policies. However, publishers are allowed to explain, on a page that does not include ads, why the ads are on their site, provided that this description does not include a direct action related to the ads. For example, your site cannot contain phrases such as "click here," "support us," "visit these links," or other similar language that could apply to any ad, regardless of content."

In which case, I will copy what the large website says (as this is obviously 'ok' by google, and see if it makes any difference.

I don't see a problem with doing this as google have said it's ok!

Rodney

6:55 pm on Aug 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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In which case, I will copy what the large website says (as this is obviously 'ok' by google, and see if it makes any difference.

I don't think google said it was ok for you to copy what another website says. That might be considered copyright theft.

You might be able to make up your own wording that says something similar though if that's how you read their answer.

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