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More Traffic = lower Earnings.

         

markus007

2:17 am on Jul 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I've found that as i get more traffic my revenues decrease and so does my CTR. I had a few channels that had a few hundred thousand pageviews a day but less then 100 clicks. After removing adsense from those pages my sitewide EPC went up over 30%. I looked at my logs of where people clicked, and it seems that as your CTR increases and pageviews decrease you get allocated more of the higher paying ads. I think the adsense ad sheduler gets confused when the CTR is super low and can't properly schedule ads over the course of a day for a advertiser.

Dantol

2:22 am on Jul 13, 2005 (gmt 0)



If you had a few hundred thousands page impressions a day with only 100 clicks, then your traffic was probably a spam (or you run adsense forum or something).

30% CTR is very good. I wish I could reach 60% one day as one of the people on this forum already has.

bose

3:18 am on Jul 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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If you had a few hundred thousands page impressions a day with only 100 clicks, then your traffic was probably a spam (or you run adsense forum or something).

errr... why does it have to be that way?

Interesting observation Markus -considering this finding seem to involve a stastically significant data sample. If I am not mistaken, I believe others have also reported their site-wide EPC going up after removing a bunch of low paying and/or low CTR pages.

It makes sense IF removal of Adsense from those (low CTR, low EPC) pages changes the "thematic signature" of your site such that it attracts different (better targeted or higher paying) Ads. Beyond that, I am not sure why would an upswing in EPC result from an upswing in your sitewide CTR.

Did those pages have badly targeted Ads?

After you had removed Adsense from those pages, did you notice any significant changes in the Ad mix?

hunderdown

3:54 am on Jul 13, 2005 (gmt 0)



Personally, I think it has an impact on the smart pricing formula.

But whether it's that or some other factor, I have found, at least for my site, that if a page or a channel isn't getting at least 1/4 the site average for a CTR, it isn't worth having ads on it. It drags down the site average, and I lose money.

Your results may vary, of course.

Radejr

4:03 am on Jul 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'll have to mess around with something like that.

I have ads on my forums. I just rescently redid my main site so I had enough content to get good ads. I noticed my clicks went up 3 times as much as they were before. Most are from the main site to and I noticed I don't make as much per click having an extra about 1k impressions.

markus007

4:48 am on Jul 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm overriding googles targetting using the keyword options. So the theme and targetting didn't change, smart pricing or better scheduling kicked in, i'm not sure which...

BarryStCyr

5:16 am on Jul 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Would you please explain the keyword options. I have been unable to find anything on the AS website about this.

How do you override the targeting.

bose

5:46 am on Jul 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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smart pricing or better scheduling kicked in, i'm not sure which...

Sure, any thing can be attributed to smart-pricing. :) It certainly seems to be one of those catch-all explanations that gets applied liberally more often than not. ;)

This sounds more like a case of your site being rewarded (with a steady stream of better paying Ads) for being a dependable high volume publisher that converts well for the Adsense delivery team. By providing a predictably high CTR Adsense delivery venue, you're probably making their (Adesense Googlers/Googlettes) job of expending a chunk of clicks in your niche a little bit easier. A genuinely Win-Win situation. You buying the next round, Markus?

yoyo8

7:10 am on Jul 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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By removing underperforming pages aren't you also removing the potential that they might display CPM ads?

hunderdown

1:54 pm on Jul 13, 2005 (gmt 0)



By removing underperforming pages aren't you also removing the potential that they might display CPM ads?

True, but taking them off might also make the site more attractive to a CPM advertiser.

IF I start seeing CPM ads appearing on my site, then I can put ads back up. For now, it would be wasted space.

ownerrim

2:47 pm on Jul 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"I'm overriding googles targetting using the keyword options. So the theme and targetting didn't change, smart pricing or better scheduling kicked in, i'm not sure which..."

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Is this for a premium account?

europeforvisitors

6:50 pm on Jul 13, 2005 (gmt 0)



I'm seeing the opposite trend (more traffic = higher EPC , CTR, and earnings). I suspect it's just the result of seasonal demand and periodic changes in search referrals.

howiejs

11:40 am on Aug 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Are you removing low CTR / below average pages from a site or your WHOLE account?

I am trying to figure out if this is hurting one site or every site in your full account