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Both activities (fisticuffs and plagiarism) are deeply frowned upon
here, perpetrators excepted of course. Its easy to spot the perps BTW.
When they aren't trying to justify or minimize the effects of scraping,
they try to accuse Google and Yahoo of it!
If G finds scraped pages, they often get dumped into the 'supplemental results'.
If Y finds scraped pages, or other signs of 'gaming the system', the whole
site might vanish from the SERPs never to be seen again. -Larry
If G finds scraped pages, they often get dumped into the 'supplemental results'.
Well... after the recent Bourbon update, if you have a site with original content and you are scrapped (become a target for spammers with a bunch of Adsense ads) your site will be sent to the nobody-search-that-but-the-site-owner index (i.e.: your paragraph with quotes + your site name).
You are right about the problem though. Google does have trouble
telling the scraper from the originator of the content at times.
This could result in some very unjust things. I suppose you could say
that a site that gets scraped is in danger of getting scrapped. -Larry
That's scraping. Not just little snippets, the whole lengthy story.
I don't mind at all if somebody quotes a phrase or two from my stuff,
especially if they give a link back. If somebody copies a whole page,
or most of it without credits or a link, then I go ballistic. -Larry
[edited by: Jenstar at 1:37 am (utc) on June 27, 2005]
[edit reason] No keywords or specifics [/edit]
Now if I can figure out how to get the foreign country one shut down maybe Google will take mine out of number 51 where it went today from #40. You would think they would know the difference, been up since 2001 for crying out loud and it's a PR5? The site is completely focused on Numerology and the scrapers are all over everything else.
They don't sell adsense but they were selling a lot of other advertising. You would think someone had enough education to write their own copy?
Ann
And THAT is what a scraper site can do to you.
A site of mine ranked #1 in Google for months. Then another genuine website asked if they could use a brief history on their site with credit and link to me. So I said yes with pleasure.
A few months later and that site is now ranked top ten consistently based on the strength of that brief history from one of my internal pages. I am stuuck at number 142.
If I tell them to remove it, I have no guarantee that I would regain my ranking so better to let them keep it and get some traffic from it. Or am I wrong?
I would leave it. I guess I am going to have to do a complete redesign on it (now in 52nd place), and put some effort into writing content...too focused on the other site....
Oh, been up since 1998, redesign done in 2001. Of course it doesn't have a lot of content, they stole my biggest page LOL, didn't expect a small site to fight back. Didn't see the larger one I guess.
With my site still moving around does that signal another Google update? Still woozy from the last one.
Ann
It looks like you see exactly the sort of thing I complain about, theft of contents.
<snip specifics>
That makes no difference to the scrapers. They mindlessly copy one another
with no respect for the facts. That is their contribution to the web.
There is no official definition of 'scraper' (note proper spelling, all you 'scrappers') ..
so you can argue that the search engines are scrapers if you wish.
I think its perfectly useless to do so however.
The real issues are the pond-scum that steal your content like a thief in the night,
for their own profit, often damaging the rightful sources.
I just checked my access_log file. Many thanks to any and all who visited,
having searched for <snip>! A few of you looked around a bit.
I strongly welcome suggestions for my site, please sticky if any.
Best wishes -Larry
[edited by: Jenstar at 1:36 am (utc) on June 27, 2005]
[edit reason] No "outting" of sites or references to your own [/edit]
Ann
Oddly enough, and especially in Europe, the mere discovery of scraping
is sometimes enough to get the perp to take his scrapes down.
(Some countries excepted: One in particular, well to the west, is a content bordello.)
In severe and damaging cases overseas where legal stuff is impractical,
I suggest getting all your ducks in a row and making complaints to the search engines.
It does the scraper no good if he is lost in the SERPs or delisted entirely.
If scraper is using Adsense or similar, you have TWO complaints you can make ..
One possibly more effective than the other. -Larry
It's a bummer, especially when the scrapers are in a distant land in a galaxy far, far away..
I'll repeat it one more time....
Where the scrapers exist doesn't matter as the search engines are where the good old DMCA is valid and G Y! and M$N have to abide by it. Whether the scraper stays online is one thing but if nobody can find him is another ;)
Where the scrapers exist doesn't matter as the search engines are where the good old DMCA is valid and G Y! and M$N have to abide by it. Whether the scraper stays online is one thing but if nobody can find him is another ;)
My sites have not been scraped, which I'm very grateful (yet I tend to wonder why)
While I'm not always successful, I try to spell words properly because
so-called 'typos' distract me from the message being sent.
A 'typo' is a typographical error, a slip of the fingers BTW.
Why is it that people who can't spell have such slippery fingers?
Back on topic: Scraping isn't _always_ laziness and theft.
I suspect some people scrape because they are just incapable of composing decent copy.
One kid in Florida copied my index page whole, changing colors etc.
and making an awful mess of it. I emailed him and he took it down.
I wonder if he originally knew this was a no-no!
The real scrapers know damn well what they are doing though.
Whether they can spell or not is a separate matter. -Larry
In severe and damaging cases overseas where legal stuff is impractical,
Well... I have no trouble with sites from my country (western Europe); I know the law and I know exactly what to do and how.
The US, well... the US are overseas.
