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10:01 pm on Jun 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hi, I'm new - hell I registered like 3 minutes ago so if I'm writing something I shouldn't or mentioning something that already has been answered thousand of times before on this 180 page forum which I was still to lazy to search thru' I apologize, but I'm just a desperate, humble little so called webmaster that needs help.

So I'm running a flashy site which is basically about games and wallpapers for not so long now. The low income and not yet so relevant ads do not bug me yet cause the site's still new. But I'm planning to enrich it with two new games and that usually results with 10+ times more traffic because of how the link to the game quickly gets around all the blog/link type sites. So I'd like to have that AdSense figured out by then.

Like I said the whole site and content (games) is in flash and there's no google-bots crawling in the swf file looking for text. So what I done so far is I've put some "about me and the site...blah-blah" style text in the meta and another copy in the body's <--! --> that flash makes automatically when generating the html file. But the description differs from what the viewers might see on the site so I don't know how legal is that in the eyes of google.

So my second choice is to put little descriptions under the flash site and every game that somehow will have to direct the ads and because it will be something the viewer can read - it will be safely within the terms of AdSense. But of course I want the descriptions well balanced with the design of the site - read: I want them short ... so I ask (maybe a little unethically) - does anyone know how to arrange words to make some keywords more attractive for google-bots then others. As for all I know it doesn't take much text for the ads to display something. Back when I was doing some testing it took only 2 times mentioning the phrase "I love <something>" to display a vast variety of lubricant ads :D.

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10:53 pm on June 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I don't know if AdSense actually uses meta tags or not. I'm almost positive it doesn't read html comments (<!-- -->).

A little blurb of your games might help. May I also recommend maybe a commenting system? Some of the peoples reactions to the game could serve useful as keywords for googlebot to munch on. Just a thought!

11:18 pm on June 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Well, my experience says bots read both meta nad <!-- -->

Like I said I used the same text in the in the meta and the <!-- --> and because I'm experimenting, yesterday I removed the comments<!-- --> to leave the bit more "legal" stuff. And what turned out is that the ads showed significantly less relevant then before. Specificly only one keyword is used to display the ads, which pretty much proves my point.

The idea of the comments might come in handy later, I'll resolve to it if the descriptions and any other ideas don't work. The thing is that I was planing a comment/forum for the site but also in flash, directly on the main page, but great thx for the suggestion.

11:38 pm on June 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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well, my understanding is that google doesnt play well with flash.

I suggest that you try to work in as much plain text as possible and keep the flash only in areas where its absolutely required

9:13 pm on June 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It seems that I have done it. I've wrote a medium long description for the site - no hunt for keywords just focusing on the main subject of the site, worte in a couple personal plans and thoughts and typical webmaster-to-user messages - just basically sumed up quite well what is my site all about. And presto plenty of ads so relevant to my site just fighting over the space on my 728 banner.

so one might think here's a happy ending to the stroy ... but nope, the truth is although the desciprtion was a bit longer than I wanted it to be it still wasn't enough to bring in ads other then the "PSA" ones. So I copied it to the meta-description - still not enough. Finally after 4 new copies of the description in html <!-- --> comments the ads showed up right.

But what am I suposed to think riht now. The ads couldn't be more relevant than they are. Text that is used to bring up the ads is clearly visible for the user on every page. But still it's 6! copies of the same thing. Does this violate the TOS, should I be worried mildly or just be terrified.
Anyone have enough experience and knowledge about da TOS to help me?

Or maybe should I dare to contact them and state my situation praying that they don't bann me.

Anyone?

9:30 pm on June 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

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add your text within the object tag of your code

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9:37 pm on June 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

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hi - are you sure that the targetting didn't just get better by itself in the interim period between the bot reading your page the first few times and you adding the comments. Personally - I can think of no logical reason why the mediabot would read comments - and I would strongly suggest that it doesn't (of course I could be wrong but to show ads based on the content of (correctly formatted) comments in html defies logic).

As for meta description, keywords etc, it makes sense that the mediabot might take these into account.

Sometimes Adsense takes a little time to target properly - I suspect that is what has happened here.

I also wouldn't imagine that you'd get penalised for repeating comments.

Why not remove them and see what happens with the ads?

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yeah lol, people here seem to disbelieve that the "spiders" go over the comments but maybe they just got better recently or something because I'm absolutely positive that they do look thru' it.
I've been quite busy experimenting and every experiment was done on a completely new name of the html file so the bots couldn't use their cache. When they dont't have any memorie about the site they browse thru' it quite quickly, it's the ones that are already in the cache that take long to update.
So I tried it with just one comment (with meta and the normal desciption of course) and no deal - some unix, pearl whatever PSA stuff. Added one more - still nothing. And only after adding two more these "free games" "games fun for the kids" "new gamimg experience" "popcap" and so one showed

so i'm pretttttty sure the bots do browse thru' comments - just try it just be sure to use new .html names every time