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I am from India, and here is a suggestion for all them.
In US, your living standard and basic cost is much higher. In India, it is pretty lower....you can not imagine.
For example, for a single family with one children, you can live here in a standard city for as low as $300-$400 per month that includes all basic needs like house rent, food, good quality cloth, shopping, occassional short tour, maintaining your computer, telephone, electricity bill, schooling for your children etc. Still you can buy some insuranceSounds impossible, but true, incredible.
In a metro city, that can be around $500-$600 p/mo.
For your AdSense site, you will get 24 hour wireless internet at 144kbps through mobilephone for as low as $18 per month. Fully mobile across the country. means, you can enjoy your true mobile life (with your laptop) at any city and village in India without disconnection.
24 hour Broadband connection is just around $10-$15 p/mo.
You can get your AdSense check here delivered by DHL or simple post, (if you use Indian address) or as usual, deposit it in your US bank, and access the money here from any ATM. In India, you will find at least one ATM in even a small city.
So think serious, decide yourself, if you earn more than $1000 to $1500 p/mo from AdSense, and come here. You will save a plenty of income each month, so that if even AdSense stops for you, with your gathered money, you can again go back to your country to find a job. But I bet, once you live here, you may not want to return...
So many Americans and Europeans are living a good lige here under ISKCON (search Google), they never return to their home country.
Beautiful South Pacific group of Islands which inspired James Michener to write "Tales of the South Pacific".Great weather though a little cyclone prone.
People are the friendliest and warmest you could ever wish to meet and the girls are westerner friendly.I married one.;)
Vanuatu is free of all taxes except a 10% VAT tax but the cost of living is not cheap for westerners not willing to live off tapioca and taro, bananas and pawpaw.
My electricity, phone and internet bill comes to something like $500 per week.Yes No typo.
Anyway, if you seek a warm climate, with a tropical island setting, consider Vanuatu.Just make sure you are earning plenty with adsense first to pay for your running costs.
I have lived all my life here and I dont live off from Adsense. I earn a some good amount from AdSense but I have my other net based business to earn my living.
I have American friends who have come and stayed in India for a few weeks or months but they arent very comfortable here. The life indeed is not so easy because of the dependence of typical americans on the automation and speed of lfe they are used to.
The quality of Internet connectivity ( we consider it ok here ) is not at all comparable to what they have in america. Most of my indian friends ( adsensers ) dont consider that Internet Quality provided by most operators here is highly substandard.
The electricity is not too dependable except for mumbai. The phone services are good in metros but bad otherwise. The mobile services ( gsm ) are fantastic, a thousand times better than america. CDMA is bad.
Food and Life is cheaper than USA, but you still atleast need about $1200 USD to run a small family in a metro city
Moreover, I hate to say and admit Adsense is heading to a bust, and is not too dependable. It might be high today but tomorrow, God Knows.
AdSense is too weak a reason to shift your residence country, even town, or even a job in India.
The electricity is not too dependable except for mumbai. (When the electricity stays on, the power went out about once and hour when I was there.)
Not true exactly. We have stable electricity in Ahmedabad, and when it goes down for an hour itís a FrontPage news on local daily news papers. But yes, electricity is a problem in certain part of india and as I wrote in my previous post, we have everything its you to decide what you want and how you want, just consider talking your plan to india to an Indian friend and he/she will suggest you the best. Its because your are new to country and you donít know about it, lead you to trouble. Again we have all ;-) LOL
Not many understand that India is one huge country with really a LOT of people
Income Taxes in India
also, i don't think that India is for everyone, it takes some serious getting used to, especially for those who are used to a western lifestyle.
@the Dell customer support call:
Well I have worked on AOL support and I think most did an excellent job. It depends on how experienced the person is.. the problem is that customer support is so cheap here in India that it's creating TOO many jobs which often HAVE to filled and thus many a times some with poor English fluency are recruited. [Well the person who posted about this didn't exactly write the perfect sentences.]
@America having hope... Oh yes! If they don't we'll work with them to give them some. ;-) Frankly I think Americans and Indian do mesh well. [BTW according to Indian astrology India is ruled by the planet Saturn and America by Venus (Saturn and Venus are good friends according to mythology)] ;-)
@Outsourcing: I think Americans will eventually loose the profitability from the dollar conversion rate and lower high quality labor costs. THEN it'll all be a matter of how good the companies here in India are and I think we do have some extremely bright chaps/gals over here. :-)
@Visiting India: An absolute YES! But do your research and plan your trip well to enjoy it! Just landing in one city and staying put will hardly give you the taste of India.
@GUNS AND GALS: Well... :-} No guns required... And the gals are loaded! ;-)
Great thread! Had fun reading through.
and lower high quality labor costs
Actually, I outsourced quite a few jobs to India and I can say with all honesty the work ranged from very bad to fair/good. Can't say it was ever high quality or that it was better then the work Americans, British and Romanians have done.
The main advantage was the affordability.
I still work with one of the companies, but have to monitor it quite a lot. Despite this, the Indians ARE super nice and I like working with them.
That's my first hand experience with India outsourcing. Affordable, mid-level quality and very nice people.
:-) Well I don't agree with that. It depends on the company you choose. Indian engineering institutes are world acclaimed and people from all over the world come to India to study these days.
Unfortunately cheap is not THAT cheap also. The companies which fall in the "good" category will still charge you $25-30 /hour [which is still much much lower than American software dev companies]
Unfortunately the whole country cannot be judged by a few men and if so then we would like to put forward our best who are probably already working and staying in America. :-} Probably at Nasa or the silicon valley.
But lets not get into who's good/better and who's not. The idea is to get better as a human race. Come to think of its best displayed in those sci-fi movies where earth is attacked by aliens and everyone is pointing their nukes at the aliens for a change :-D
And I wasn't trying to get into an argument about who is better and this nation is better, etc, that is immature and not very diplomatic. I am well aware of the talent that India produces and know that it has a great IT background. I was just reporting my own personal experience as I clearly stated.
And I didn't start the "India vs. America" arugment, others did.
I think, a tallent more than most Americans
and lower high quality labor costs.
Don't attack me because my experiences don't support their arguments
And then you state:
the whole country cannot be judged by a few men
I never judged your whole country by my experience, just related my experience. However, flyerguy judged America by what Lex_Luther said (BTW, I seriously doubt Lex is American)
Is there any hope for America at all..
And I never said "cheap" - I said affordable. The India companies that cost more were the ones that did the worst work.
I'm sorry if you don't like what I wrote but I am just relating my experience, and I know it's not a universal truth about India IT talent. However, there's a lot of hypocrisy here in the view towards Americans.
I'll wrap it up with some economic bad news for India.
Japan was booming in the 80s, Russia in the early 90s, and Thailand in the mid to late 90s. Nothing ever goes up that doesn't come down, and in the previous examples, it came down real hard.
The bond traders and Western companies pouring money into India are not your friends and can take that money and jobs out just as fast as they came in. The citizens in those 3 examples above thought the good times would last forever, and they found out how wrong that assumption was.
Look what happened when India tested a nuclear weapon in 1996. The whole country was full of patriotic spirit over this until the bond rating firms (Moodys) downgraded India and foreign investment trickled down to nothing.
All I am saying is that Globalization can be a dream come true and it can also be a nightmare. I've been around long enough and studied economics enough to see countries go boom and bust, bust and boom. It's a cycle and nothing lasts forever.
With all that IT talent (as you stated and is true) India should work towards building economic independence as best it can. Right now, they are too vulnerable to the whims of foreign traders and investors.
Nobody outside of India is buying up rupees and without Euros, dollars and yen coming into the country, India's economy will fall like others did. That's a vulnerability that needs to be corrected, and until it does, don't insult the nations that are supporting your economic expansion and growth.
Anyways, I agree to your point that India's economy is getting better and better because of the foreign investments and the average salary is increasing every month which makes me wonder how long the outsourcing will continue cause China would soon become a much cheaper alternative [if the next generation is more English conversant]. It is definitely threatening and we [Indians] need to think about this.. Create in-house jobs so that we not so dependant on foreign investments, maybe even promote tourism. Anything!
Regarding the comments on America... I think anyone who does that is not in his/her senses. Please don't take these things to your heart, its was just a silly comment made. No one needs to prove anything over here.
India would beat America if it was cricket and America would beat India if it were soccer. ;-) Though at India's current form in cricket.. I doubt that they would win even the cricket! :-D
Anyways, with all due respect to Americans and Indian lets just keep things a little friendlier here. That is all I wanted when I commented on the America Vs India comment by some of the members here.
I wouldn't worry about China overtaking India for quite a number of reasons. True, there's a lot of hype about China but if they get into a tangle with Taiwan, poof, the investors will leave really fast and the sanctions will go up. I don't think China has what India has nor do they "get it" like India does, especially in the IT field.
I don't know what will trigger the bust for India, but it always comes and India shouldn't make the mistake Russia and Thailand did in thinking "the boom times" will last forever.
Countries like USA, Britain and Japan can withstand the bad times due to a longer history in the free-market economy, but India...it all depends on what they do now.
I wont live there even if someone will offer me free housing and foods.
So stop talking about India, because its not the best place to live to save money.
Not a lot of places (rental flats) with a phone line, let alone an internet connection. I've managed to hook up my laptop in a cybercafe, but that's about it.
the guy start the topic (gululgulu)....(by the way ngulu in South African languages means God )...looks to me makes a kind of marketing about the so called ISKCON ...
I was not really aware of the meaning of ngulu even before I read the above.
I sometimes love to call my little one year daughter as "Gulu" and from this I have choosen a quick username as "GuluGulu".
I am no God and can never be. No human being can be God.
I am also not affiliated to ISKCON or I think, they do not really require "marketting..." in this way.
Although it is true that I live very close, within 15 kilometers of their world headquarters in Mayapur, West Bengal, India and have seen such foreign people from very close proximity who came here from America and other countries and never returned back.
That is why I have referred ISKCON as an example.
I have started this thread just to look if anybody is willing to relocate who have given-up all their jobs for AdSense, and if they can find a very cheap place to stay, like in India, they will be able to survive even if someday AdSense is gone for them....which may not be possible if they stay at America or other country.
I am not asking all members of this WW to relocate to India.
If this thread is now going to off topic on which I have no control, the moderator, if she decides so, can terminate this or move this to another section.
Or if this off topic thread is enjoyed by most of the members (I think most is enjoying, read their post) then keep it continue. After all, all we want to take some break.
As an American who pays a much higher percentage of my monthly income to subsist than I would in your country I find the idea of moving there appealing and hugely romantic.
As an American who was born and raised and now lives and is quite dependant upon all the typical American "selfish" traits, the fast food, the instant gratification and probably most importantly, at least to me, the ability to surround myself with peers of like mind, etc... I think I would not do well in your country in spite of the financial considerations. Americans are spoiled. I may get argument here but I know I am at any rate.
I think what I've learned more so than anything from reading the replies to this post is an overview of the tremendous strides India has made in recent years with regard to modernization. I am not tuned into global economics like some are. I've had no need to be. I won't move to India simply to save money but I am far less strident now in my opposition of that idea.
India issues a range of visas [indiainfoline.com]: tourist, business, student, transit, missionary, journalist, conference and employment visas. For an employment visa you need to be sponsored by an Indian company (generally senior management/director level). India doesn't have any dual nationality agreements despite several campaigns [sify.com] for dual nationality, especially for PIOs (Persons of Indian Origin).
Gaining Indian nationality appears to be more difficult than getting a green card for the US of A. However, you can make unlimited number of trips as a visitor provided you do not stay more than six months at each visit. If you wish to stay longer a business visa is probably better and it's relatively easy to get, you will need to prove you have funds to live on for the duration of your stay. You could continue to hold a non-Indian company for the purpose of receiving your Adsense and other earnings and withdraw money in India to meet day-to-day needs.
For anyone planning on moving there it is strongly recommended that you suck it and see by going on a visitor visa first. However, it is not easy to change visitor status and you'll have to leave the country to apply for a different visa (pretty much the same rules as the UK and the US).
India's financial prospects for the next few decades look extremely good. The economic reforms of the early nineties and the foreign exchange relaxations have kicked India into a massive growth and modernisation. It is widely predicted by economists in the know that China and India will be the economies to back over the next half century. India has the advantage over China in that it is a democracy (it is so democratic that citizens can even elect communist MLA/MPs! and West Bengal and Kerala have often been dominated by, ahem, "communist elected representatives"). India has another major advantage in that English is the defacto language of business. There is, of course, the famous Indian hospitatility. Don't be surprised if someone sitting next to you in the train insists you accompany him home for dinner and refuses to accept no for an answer.
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It's good to see so many patriotic views, but not so good to 'knock' someone else's country. I've travelled the world and I've seen good and bad everywhere I've been. It's all the different cultures, creeds, beliefs, lifestyles and experiences that make the world such an interesting place.
Personally I think Britain is the best country in the world... but that's because I'm British! :-)
Bravo to you all and here's to peace and goodwill on Earth.