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Adsense as your sponsor

is this allowed?

     

FridayNight

4:00 pm on Feb 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I run a website for hobby; I do it for free, for my own pleasure. I don't charge any subscription or anything. I know it is not allowed to put Adsense on page and ask visitors to click in order you or them make money.

BUT: is it allowed to explain on the site that your web site is free and that you appreciate that they CAN visit your sponsors if someone has interests in their service. Same like people do it in real life /events/ when they say "This store is our sponsor, make sure you visit them...".

I hope you understand; I don't want to ask someone to click if he is not interested, I would just like to tell my 2000+ users that if they need something (hosting for example), they should first look at our sponsors offers, then look further. Because yes, this website is free and to keep it free, they should shop at the site sponsors.

I appreciate your opinion...

petra

4:05 pm on Feb 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Web pages may not include incentives of any kind for users to click on ads. This includes encouraging users to click on the ads or to visit the advertisers' sites as well as drawing any undue attention to the ads. This activity is strictly prohibited in order to avoid potential inflation of advertiser costs. For example, your site cannot contain phrases such as "click here," "support us," "visit these links," or other similar language that could apply to any ad, regardless of content.

The only permited wording for the ads are:

"sponsored links" or "advertisements."

dmz17

4:06 pm on Feb 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My guess is that will get you booted from AdSense within 10 minutes of Google coming across your site or someone reporting you. Don't do it.

FridayNight

4:09 pm on Feb 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Maybe you are right but I want to check if this is maybe allowed since you are not forcing anyone to click, you're just telling that advertisers keep this site alive. This makes sense at least to me.

trillianjedi

4:09 pm on Feb 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I would just like to tell my 2000+ users that if they need something (hosting for example), they should first look at our sponsors offers

1. They're not your sponsors. They're Google's clients.

2. If you place your ads well, get the right colour scheme etc, then anyone visiting your site that is actually interested in a product being advertised will click. Trust me, they do. And with a bit of luck they'll then go and buy the product.

TJ

hunderdown

4:24 pm on Feb 25, 2005 (gmt 0)



I agree, telling visitors to look at "your sponsors" first is just a step down from teling them to click on the AdSense links--you'd be pointing them at the ads (in effect), and you can't do that, except of course through ad placement and design.

FridayNight

4:28 pm on Feb 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>>I agree, telling visitors to look at "your sponsors" first is just a step down from teling them to click on the AdSense links--you'd be pointing them at the ads (in effect)

Usually we don't do things by what someone "thinks". Ok, if explaining to visitors that this site can go on because of sponsors is illegal, then I agree.

No one said I would point them there and tell them to put fingers above the link. What I asked is if it illegal to tell that this site is free because of sponsors. Same like free newspapers tell... some say "with help of our sponsors this issue is free for you". Understand? Just like in offline world.

europeforvisitors

4:31 pm on Feb 25, 2005 (gmt 0)



Newspapers in the offline world aren't required to comply with the AdSense TOS.

mvander

4:40 pm on Feb 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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There's an "offline" world?! :)

Jenstar

4:40 pm on Feb 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Maybe you are right but I want to check if this is maybe allowed since you are not forcing anyone to click, you're just telling that advertisers keep this site alive.

Drawing any attention to the ads is against the terms, which would include pointing out that advertisers keep the site alive.

Same like free newspapers tell... some say "with help of our sponsors this issue is free for you". Understand? Just like in offline world.

Yes, but the newspaper isn't earning an additional $ for each individual reader that happens to visit the business. With AdSense, you ARE getting $ for each reader you send to an Adwords advertiser. And advertisers are NOT happy to pay you for junk traffic since the reason the visitors are clicking is to "help keep your site alive".

Bottom line, it is against the terms to incite clicks, encourage clicks or draw ANY attention to the ads.

MrAnchovy

4:44 pm on Feb 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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No one said I would point them there and tell them to put fingers above the link. What I asked is if it illegal to tell that this site is free because of sponsors. Same like free newspapers tell... some say "with help of our sponsors this issue is free for you". Understand? Just like in offline world.

Site: "With help of our sponsors this site is free for you."
Visitor: "I like this site, I'll help them out by clicking on this ad."
Advertisor: "That visitor wasn't even interested in our product, but we had to pay anyways."

See the problem?

jretzer

4:50 pm on Feb 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I also run a pure hobby site -- done just for the fun of it. I found that when I put the ads up, people just naturally clicked because the ads (after a few weeks) related to the pages. I get a lot of clicks :) But the payout per click is very low :(

I don't think you have to tell anyone that the ads are helping keep the site alive. They know.

FridayNight

5:02 pm on Feb 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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yes, you and others from this forum know. My dad and my mom has no idea about such thing neither have 99% of other people on the planet, believe me.

Anyway, that TOS is a funny thing; Google can tell me that if I drive visitors to them, I will get paid for every click while I am not allowed to even mention ads on the site.

figment88

5:09 pm on Feb 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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One of my sites automatically creates boxes with headings of "category sponsor." I had put adsense in there when I did not have a direct sale customer. I got a bad boy note from Google telling me that I couldn't put "category sponsor" above their ads.

Since at the time, I was using AdSense on only a few categories, I jsut removed it entirely. I subsequently got a note from Google saying I shouldn't remove it entirely just change the heading.

While I am not sure I appreciate Google micro-managing my site or their inflexability, my main point here is that they do check these things.

doingthistoolong

5:12 pm on Feb 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The people paying for the ads are adamant about this issue, they feel the ads stand on their own merit - and believe me they are NOT interested in supporting your (or my sites).

It sounds as if you're going to do it anyway, but people who have experience in this area are giving you their best recommendation. Don't do it.

MrAnchovy

5:24 pm on Feb 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Anyway, that TOS is a funny thing; Google can tell me that if I drive visitors to them, I will get paid for every click while I am not allowed to even mention ads on the site.

Look at it from the advertiser's point of view (afterall, they are the ones who fund AdSense).

Advertiser sets a $1000 budget for AdWords
Assume he can set the CPC at a fixed $0.20/ea

He is going to spend $1000 regardless... and get 5,000 visitors.

If you were that advertiser, would you rather:
- Get 5,000 visitors who found the ad themselves and were not prompted to click the ads... ie. they saw the ad & were actually interested.
- Get 5,000 visitors.... 4,500 who were interested, and another 500 that had little to no interest in your product that were merely clicking b/c they were told it would help keep another site free. Since your budget is fixed, you didn't spend any more money... but lost out on 500 potnetial customers.

-------

Unlimited Budget @ $0.20ea

Which one?

- 10,000 visitors @ $0.20ea ($2,000)... all of whom were interested in your product and were not prompted to click on the ad.
- 12,000 visitors @ $0.20ea ($2,400). 10,000 interested visitors, plus an additional 2,000 that were prompted to click on your ad for whatever reason... costing you an additional $400 for 2,000 uninterested visitors, what will most likely not result in sales.

Bonusbana

5:31 pm on Feb 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"My guess is that will get you booted from AdSense within 10 minutes of Google coming across your site or someone reporting you. Don't do it."

This is of course not true. I did this by mistake once and google never said anything (I removed it after 3-4 weeks when I found out it was against the TOS). They are not fascists, and if you ask them before putting the site up, they will give you an answer to your question.

hunderdown

5:43 pm on Feb 25, 2005 (gmt 0)



FirstNight, if you don't want to take our advice (though why did you ask for it, then?) just ask Google. Back when I joined AdSense, I asked them about a different, but related issue, and got back a useful response.

fezziwig

5:54 pm on Feb 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Or you can do whatever you want and see if Google smacks you for it. They will, of course. It's just a matter of time ...

SignMeUp

6:00 pm on Feb 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Why Google made out this rule? Because,

If your web surfers clicked on the ad but did not buy anything from sponsors. Then sponsors can't make money from Google. They will not use Adwords any more. And you can't make money from Google also...

Just like a Chinese sentence 'kill the hen and get the egg' Then no eggs any more!

Please don't do that.

FridayNight

6:58 pm on Feb 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I don't know why you automatically link sentence "Our sponsors make this website be free. Thank you dear sponsors. (example)" to the fact that visitors aren't going to buy anything or that anyone said they SHOULD click there? No one said one HAS to click. If you understand this as an order to click, I don't. I really don't although I understand your paranoia about void clicks. I don't think it is good to be so paranoic about things especially I am not happy to see any decision based on "we think". "I think" everyone should send $1 to my paypal ;)

It's Friday night tonight :)

icedowl

7:11 pm on Feb 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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FridayNight, it is obvious that you are unwilling to take all the good advice that has been given as responses to your post. Contact Google with the same question - see what they say. I think they'll also say that you cannot do what you'd like to do.

FridayNight

7:15 pm on Feb 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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icedowl, belive me, i take advices... i just don't want to give up on something when actually we don't know what is right and what is wrong. i will contact google and post the answer.

no9t9

7:35 pm on Feb 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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what if I had adsense on a website about how adsense works, discussion of TOS, etc.? The site content would be about adsense so it would indirectly draw attention to the ads.

would that be allowed?

Chico_Loco

7:50 pm on Feb 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The ads have "Ads by Goooooogle" on them, so you don't need to tell your visitors what they are - they already know. Of course they might now know who "Goooooogle" is :)

mvander

8:03 pm on Feb 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Also need to ask yourself: Is it worth a few extra clicks that might result from a "message", to perhaps risk your entire adsense revenue stream? (i.e. being disabled)

FridayNight

8:07 pm on Feb 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>> what if I had adsense on a website about how adsense works, discussion of TOS, etc.? The site content would be about adsense so it would indirectly draw attention to the ads.

very good one haha.

loco, you really think that everyone knows about ads and how they work? i can tell you that people have absolutely no idea about clicks, bids, etc.. go and ask your friends who are such specialists like you are. last week i was explaining that to a webmaster here and he had no idea about the whole system.

now i want to do a site with adsense info :))))))))

HughMungus

8:07 pm on Feb 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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what if I had adsense on a website about how adsense works, discussion of TOS, etc.? The site content would be about adsense so it would indirectly draw attention to the ads.

Sure, as long as you don't draw attention to YOUR ads.

yoyo8

8:08 pm on Feb 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Why is it ok then to write "Sponsored Links"? I never understood why Adsense allows this.

Curiosity

8:13 pm on Feb 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Why is it ok then to write "Sponsored Links"? I never understood why Adsense allows this.

Because it implies that the links themselves are sponsored, i.e., paid for. It doesn't imply that the advertisers behind the links sponsor the site, which is what "site sponsors" means and what Fridaynight wants to imply.

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