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webking

9:04 am on Feb 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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for a $1000 per day site?
mine just has 50 pages,and 80% in google search engine.
how many pages do I have to add?
however,it seems number of pages have little to do with
the traffic and revenue..
Suggestions?Retort?

Chico_Loco

9:22 am on Feb 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Well, when stuff like this gets posted you know the program is coming to an end.

If your only reason for making those pages is your potential revenue from AdSense, then do us all a favor by forgetting about doing it and just move on as though you went through with it and it was a failure, because that's what it will turn out to be, but by going through with it you'll only f()k it up for the rest of us that are serious about web development.

There's no difnitive answer anyway. If you type it all out from your brain, probably only a few thousand. If you get the content from elsewhere (scrape it), then $1000 is probably out of the question, particularly in the mid-long term.

How many pages will be fine? -- 0 please!

webking

9:26 am on Feb 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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misunderstanding me.
I like others visit my site,
nice revenue is a happy fruit.

Chico_Loco

9:28 am on Feb 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Then your goal should be how many pages can you write before the revenue is where you want it - not how many pages it will take to get the revenue to where you want it.

david_uk

9:29 am on Feb 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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If you have content that people want to read, and pages that advertisers want to advertise on, and visitors that decide to click your ads, then the answer is STILL "who knows".

Adsense is about content - not a get rich quick scheme. Everybody has a different experience of the program, and the money isn't guaranteed. It seems to me that those who do best long term are those who are passionate about the site first, and the money second.

webking

9:38 am on Feb 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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sure

guitaristinus

10:03 am on Feb 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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webking,
You are right, the " ... number of pages have little to do with the traffic and revenue."

Chico_Loco,
If all you care about is content, then why should you care about the future of AdSense? AdSense is all about making money. There is nothing wrong with making a site for profit. Don't take it so seriously.

jetteroheller

12:11 pm on Feb 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Imagine a young man comes to his first employment and his first question is:

How many days do I have to work to go get my old age benefit.

Highway61

1:39 pm on Feb 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I would suggest that passion being the priority for running a web site is fine for a hobby site.

My take on the bulk of the posters here is that one way or another they are running a business, albeit a small one.

With that in mind, when running a business, it is always about the money. If not, then one should run a hobby site and not post questions about money.

"The Aviator" has a classic scene regarding the above. Howard Hughes was being grilled before a Senate committee. When told that Juan Trippe, head of Pan Am, and his nemesis, didn't care about money, Hughes remarks, "I bet his shareholders will be interested in hearing that."

While we may not have shareholders to answer to, we do have family, spouses, and common sense.

sailorjwd

1:47 pm on Feb 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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250 pages

webking

1:57 pm on Feb 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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correct.
But how about asp instead of html and xml?
much swifter at least ,though was regarded not nice
for seo and search bot.
250 pages?
According to which theory?or just experience?
I am afraid behind this maybe a line of revenue peak and a plain.Right,my poster above?

sailorjwd

3:48 pm on Feb 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Webking,

250 was on the safe side.

It can be done in about 40 pages - at least in the areas I'm familiar with.

If you're lucky enough be a consultant in a particular field then all you gotta do is do the work and then talk about what you've done on your website - you get paid twice.

Highway61

12:50 am on Feb 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Well said sailorjwd.

Everything you do that may in some way be of benefit to someone else, write it up and post it as an article.

europeforvisitors

2:44 am on Feb 20, 2005 (gmt 0)



How many pages are necessary to earn $1,000 a month?

Simple answer: It depends.

More complicated answer: It depends on the topic, the traffic, and--because of "smart pricing"--the nature of the pages and (possibly) the conversion rate of the clicks.

linear

3:12 am on Feb 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I thought we were talking $1k/day though. It's really hard for me to see anything I do scale up to that number. (Maybe in a couple years, if I were to add several pages a day each day.) It would seem to me that number would need to be in the thousands of pages or tens of thousands. The higher the clicks number the more tendency toward the center of the bell curve of EPC too. So it's hard to know where that really lies, but I can do a thought experiment where that's 10 cent clicks, it takes ten thousand of those to do a $1k day, imagining a hypothetical CTR of 1% (arbtrarily picked to keep the math easy) that's a neat one million views per day, or 11 and a half views per second 24/7.

I'd be asking the question "how many dedicated servers."

*All numbers are completely contrived, and intended only to illustrate a point.

btas2

3:22 am on Feb 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'd really like to see that 40 page website. Must be quite something to bring in $365,000 a year from AdSense.

europeforvisitors

3:46 am on Feb 20, 2005 (gmt 0)



I thought we were talking $1k/day though.

By gum, you're right. I've got to clean my glasses. :-)

Anyone who hopes to make $1,000 a day with AdSense isn't going to get there by posting a request for a magic formula.

ownerrim

4:54 am on Feb 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"misunderstanding me.
I like others visit my site,
nice revenue is a happy fruit."

fruit attracts flies

rjohara

4:58 am on Feb 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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To get to $1000/day I would need about 1,500,000 pages. :-)

Livenomadic

5:03 am on Feb 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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To get to $1000/day I would need about 1,500,000 pages. :-)

Me too...

hunderdown

5:32 am on Feb 20, 2005 (gmt 0)



I must be doing really well. To get to $1,000 a day, I'd only need to have 12,500 pages....

Mcadieux

5:45 am on Feb 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I only need 35,500 people a day, to make that $1000 so far I am up to 37 people a day. So I only need a 99.99896% increase in traffic. In all seriousness the first thing you have to realize is AdSense is not a get rich quick scheme. I originally found AdWords, and AdSense though an e-book that was gonna make me 100,000 a month (I got my money back for the e-book). I have spent a lot of time lurking on the forums, and have learned a lot. I have figured out you can make money with adsense. My site has been up about 10 days and I am making between 2 and 3 dollars a day. Just pick a site your intreseted in so it's less like work. And remember "If You Build It, They Will Come" Just my 2 cents. Now it's bed time.

Livenomadic

6:23 am on Feb 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Just pick a site your intreseted in so it's less like work. And remember "If You Build It, They Will Come" Just my 2 cents. Now it's bed time.

Just was I was about to say.

universetoday

6:59 am on Feb 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Build as many pages as it takes for you to earn $500/day, and then double that number.

OptiRex

7:06 pm on Feb 20, 2005 (gmt 0)



I must be doing really well. To get to $1,000 a day, I'd only need to have 12,500 pages....

Assuming there were enough advertisers then on average I would need about 5,000 impressions.

Now that would be nice:-)

icedowl

7:14 pm on Feb 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Assuming there were enough advertisers then on average I would need about 5,000 impressions.

It depends on your subject matter. With two adblocks on my 500+ pages, I've had far more than 5,000 impressions per day. However, with my subject matter and CTR, even 50,000 impressions wouldn't get there.

btas2

8:50 pm on Feb 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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On my site (~500 pages) , I'd need at least 250,000 impressions/day to hit $1000/day on a really good day. Maybe 500,000/day to get an average of $1000/day.

I'd still love to see the site that does it with 40 pages!

At 500 pages, I don't think adding another 500 pages would double Adsense revenue. I think a better plan is to keep them fresh and updated and increase traffic by other means.

Chico_Loco

9:02 pm on Feb 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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If all you care about is content, then why should you care about the future of AdSense? AdSense is all about making money. There is nothing wrong with making a site for profit. Don't take it so seriously.

I'm sorry, perhaps I'm one of the few people that actually have respect for their terms of service! If you're asking how much content you need to make $x per month, then clearly your objective is to create a "made for adsense" site - which is, quite clearly, against the terms of the program.

By disobeying these terms, you make the program more unstable for those that take it more seriously, which is a shame.

AdSense is about makng money, yes... BUT, it's not a get-rick-quick program, it's a business. I make content, I effectively rent Google my ad spaces in return for a cut of the takings.

You're free to do it, but just be aware that if people continue to make silly sites with lame content that's not unique with the sole objective of sticking AdSense on there, then the programs values will rapidly diminish and people wont advertise on there, hence we all loose money.

Why do I care about the future of AdSense? - Because it's one of the few programs out there that make it easy for honest webmasters to menotinize their websites and make a profit... and like always, it only takes a few half-witted fools to screw it up for everybody.

OptiRex

9:35 pm on Feb 20, 2005 (gmt 0)



I'm sorry, perhaps I'm one of the few people that actually have respect for their terms of service!

I feel you're taking this a bit too seriously Chico_Loco!

Personally, and I feel most us were doing this, we were making a direct correlation of what we would need to do to achieve earning $1,000 per day from our current sites, no more, no less.

Certainly there are those who have built specific Adsense sites however I am not one of them.

I effectively rent Google my ad spaces in return for a cut of the takings.

Actually one of the benefits of Adsense is that when I have a trade advertiser asking to place a banner ad etc on our sites, I can quote accurately and without fear exactly what he needs to pay me to make it worthwhile for ME to display his ad.

If he can't match Adsense why should I bother?

then the programs values will rapidly diminish and people wont advertise on there, hence we all loose money.

I completely agree. I have several different specialist sites all relating to the same overall subject matter but each large enough to warrant their own individual sites etc. My Adsense are so well targeted it amazes me sometimes and long may it continue.

Chico_Loco

11:22 pm on Feb 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I feel you're taking this a bit too seriously Chico_Loco!

Na, I'm just trying to illustrate how and why made-for-adsense sites are a bad thing.

This thread was started with one thing in mind I feel, how much content is needed to generate $x monthly through AdSense?

What I'm trying to point out is that this question almost automatically generates the assumption that any content made will be made for AdSense, hence it would be a made-for-adsense site. The problem is, people are starting to ask the question in an indirect fashion so that they can disguise the fact that they are about to make an adsense site.

And you can't tell me I'm paranoid about it - just look at the amount of these scraper sites out there with adsense on them. Hell, one of them is even outranking me for mycompanyname on Google, which is absolutely crazy if you ask me.

It seems like everyday there is a new thread in here with the same general question, phrased in a variety of ways: "How can I make a site that will make me money with adsense, and how many pages do i need to scrape".

Eh, maybe I am taking it too seriously, after all nobody will really give a hoot what I say. Anyone that's intent on making one of these sites will do it anyway.

But, when AdSense starts to bring in less money for everybody because advertisers are backing out due to the low quality sites using AdSense (and it will happen at this rate)... how mahy of the people with made-for-adsense are going to be posting here complaining about it - probably all of them. And serious webmasters with unique content will be the ones that really loose out because there isn't really a great alternative to AdSense right now as a source of income for the small site owners.

That's my rant on this issue - and I'm not saying anyone here specifically has an adsense site, I'm just thinking out loud really (or maybe I'm still drunk from last night - ha ha ha).

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