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slobizman

3:43 pm on Aug 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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As I've mentioned before I run a conservative web site. Look at the ads that are showing up today:

Regime Change in the USA

Howard Dean for President

Bush Regime Change Playing Cards

Did Bush Falsify WMD?

My God, how the heck can I get any clicks? Plis, I'm really pissing off my visitors.

figment88

4:00 pm on Aug 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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If you are willing to push the limits of the T&C you could place above the adverts:

Pay-Per-Click Advertising - Bleed the Liberals Dry

Visi

4:04 pm on Aug 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Let me see...consevative website...reads political...ads are political...seems like targeted from here. That the "conservative" groups do not rank high in adwords seems to be the problem rather than targeting? You always have the option to remove the code, if upsetting your visitors that much. Look on the bright side....few from the east coast seen the ads in last couple of days:)

netguy

4:10 pm on Aug 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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slobizman, you forgot about the Green Party ads! ;)

I have the same problem. I'm getting the same types of ads on one of my conservative news sites. The 'left' seems to be spending more money on political news adwords....

As far as figment88 thoughts, I also have a terrorist news site that is completely ignored by adwords (lots of pretty charity ads though). G doesn't seem to like anything bloody, bombed or otherwise edgy.

Jenstar

4:11 pm on Aug 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The fact might not be ill-targeting, but the fact that those advertisers are bidding on conservative keywords. Did you try doing "conservative" keyword searches in Google and seeing if those kinds of ads are popping up as well? If so, it is good targeting, just not with the kinds of ads you would prefer.

I agree with Visi, if you are this upset, perhaps it is time to either remove the ads or put more time into AdSense to delete the URLs you find offending. You will have to find the balance between your visitors and the revenue AdSense contributes to your site.

netguy

4:26 pm on Aug 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Jenstar is probably correct. Most of these advertisers feel they already have their own 'base' convinced, so why not go after voters who are riding on the fence - or even on other side.

Its actually a pretty wise move.

PatrickDeese

4:29 pm on Aug 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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You can specify URLs that you don't want ads for.

I have a webpage that profiles the infamous author William S. Burroughs, who spent most of his life addicted to heroin.

The first ad I canned was for a treatment center.

aroach

4:34 pm on Aug 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I wouldn't be so sure that all your visitors are conservatives. I'm a liberal. I visit conservative sites. You have to know what the other side is up to and how they think. I would very likely click on those ads.

Maybe your conservative visitors would like to know what the other side is up to as well.

slobizman

4:54 pm on Aug 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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"I wouldn't be so sure that all your visitors are conservatives. I'm a liberal. I visit conservative sites. You have to know what the other side is up to and how they think. I would very likely click on those ads.
Maybe your conservative visitors would like to know what the other side is up to as well."

Yes, we welcome liberals on the site. However, htere are vastly fewer of them than conservatives.

Plus, I've seen the difference in how the ads pull. On days when I've had conservative ads, I've pulled in around $10-12, on days with the liberal ads, it's more like $3-4.

netguy

5:17 pm on Aug 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>> On days when I've had conservative ads, I've pulled in around $10-12, on days with the liberal ads, it's more like $3-4.

... any comment I could make to this, would probably not be allowed in WW's TOS. ;)

loanuniverse

5:34 pm on Aug 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Plus, I've seen the difference in how the ads pull. On days when I've had conservative ads, I've pulled in around $10-12, on days with the liberal ads, it's more like $3-4.

I agree that not everyone that visits your site is a conservative, I also don't see how you can make the claim above since there is no really that much of a variance in the ads and a webmaster does not really know what ads the visitors are seeing.

<snip>

BTW, I am sure the poster was joking, but just in case. Do not put the CPC advertising, bleed the liberals dry tag on your site. That will get you kicked out faster than you can say "Arnold for Governor".

[edited by: Laisha at 7:56 pm (utc) on Aug. 16, 2003]
[edit reason] "sticky me" solicitation [/edit]

slobizman

7:40 pm on Aug 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I agree that not everyone that visits your site is a conservative, I also don't see how you can make the claim above since there is no really that much of a variance in the ads and a webmaster does not really know what ads the visitors are seeing.

Actually I have been able to. The ads stay on amazingly long. I'll have the same four ads up for sometime a half a day. Then, maybe one or two will be replaced.

There are stretches that I've had with just liberal ads for two to three days. Then, sometimes I get a whole day of 3 or 4 conservative ads. Don't know why it happens this way.

I had all liberal ads for the last two days. This morning I went in and blocked them, and now I have 3 conservative and one liberal ad

WAIT! Now I just went back in and I have only one ad "Liberal Progressive News".

By the way, When I don't have four ads, the stupid thing still takes up the space for four ads, showing white where the missing ads are. It's really frustrating. Is there a way to fix this?

loanuniverse

8:50 pm on Aug 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Well, I just ran your main page through a keyword density tool and realize that it would be nearly impossible to eliminate those types of ads from appearing other than manually blocking some sites, and this would mean less advertisers and more blank spaces. This is just a sample of the top words in your index page:

Discuss 34 1.36%
Democrats 15 0.60%
Hillary 15 0.60%
California 12 0.48%
Recall 11 0.44%
Arnold 11 0.44%
Liberal 11 0.44%

No wonder you get those ads! I think that the mediabot adsense ranking is a few years away from developing an artificial intelligence good enough to figure the theme of your site. For all it knows, you are more liberal than Sharpton.

BTW, I encourage everyone to run their sites through one of these “keyword density tools”, it will open your eyes to what you are really writing about :)

slobizman

9:37 pm on Aug 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for the breakdown. That's the way it's always going to be I guess since we bascially make of of these people.

It's too bad that Google just cannot allow you to specify the category into which you fall.

Would placing other more appropriate words (Republican, Bush, etc) somewhere on the page help? I obviously cannot force them into the content much. anywhere else that would overcome that?

Jenstar

10:05 pm on Aug 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It's too bad that Google just cannot allow you to specify the category into which you fall.

If Google allowed this, I think we'd find that people were specifying the $$ categories that could potentially earn them much more money, even if it was only remotely related, rather than what was actually right on target for ads. And the point is to provide content specific ads, not ads in a specific category.

For example, all sites remotely related to health information could specify "pharmaceuticals" as a category, and some of those keywords are worth a lot of money per click.

Perhaps in the future Google will allow us to disallow certain keywords from showing ads. This would be a better solution, in my opinion.

MonkeeSage

10:09 pm on Aug 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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slobizman:

You could be a bit debonaire about it and do something like this...

<div>
...blah blah blah in <span title="'The land of fruits &amp; nuts'">California</span> blah blah blah <span title="She's no Barbra Bush">Hillary</span>...
</div>

But too much of that sort of thing might just annoy your readers. Used moderately, might be a viable solution to work in some keywords geared more towards your sector?

Jordan

<edit>Ps. I wouldn't recommend actually using those titles (lol), I was only meaning to demonstrate the method. :)</edit>

danny

12:55 am on Aug 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I don't think AdSense is appropriate for political sites. I never even contemplated running it on my activist pages -- either my anti-censorship resources, my free software advocacy, or my social justice bits and pieces.

Fairla

2:18 am on Aug 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I think I may have had the worst AdSense ad ever on my site. "Music From the Third Reich."

GEE THANKS! I'm sure that's just great for Nazi sites. But my site is NOT FOR NAZIS! Nor did that page, or the site as a whole, have anything to do with the Third Reich, or even music.

Yes, I blocked it. But I wonder how many of my visitors were offended before I spotted it? It offended ME to see that on my site.

Google needs to work on this aspect.

However, to be fair, I must say the targeting has improved on my site quite a bit over the past week or so. That may partly be because I've removed the AdSense code from all the pages where Google just can't seem to find fitting ads.

slobizman

2:52 am on Aug 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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So, is there a way to "Shrink up" the ad area to only use the amount of sapce needed when less than four ads are run?

Jenstar

3:21 am on Aug 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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is there a way to "Shrink up" the ad area

Not anymore. There is more about it in this thread [webmasterworld.com]