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Hi nsqlg, thanks for your advise. Did your receive your payments?
No yet, since July, look this: [webmasterworld.com...] AdSenseAdvisor is an employee of google.
Brazilian banks that receive payments for individuals from foreign companies must require account owners to sign some papers when the money arrives so they declare the purpose of the payment. This way the account owners have no way to deny that is income and must declare it and pay taxes until the of the subsequent month using Carnê Leão.
This does not bug me as AdSense publisher living in Brazil because I was already doing it but many brazilian publishers are not aware and some of those that are not aware would rather omit the income and evade taxes. This way it won't be possible.
I email to Google and I gave 4 options to send the payment to Brazil: Western Union Transfer, Money Gram transfer, Paypal ( to some publishers), and check by regular airmail.
The only forbidden way of payment is check by Fedex.
If they send the checks by regular airmail I,m sure that will be ok.
Google didn,t give me this option. I can sign all papers they want ( I use to do that with the Western Union transfers to Banco do Brasil).
That is called SWIFT and is available worldwide to most banks, not just to Banco do Brasil.
Google did not give you that option because AFAIK they did not give any options to anybody yet.
I email to Google and I gave 4 options to send the payment to Brazil: Western Union Transfer, Money Gram transfer, Paypal ( to some publishers), and check by regular airmail.The only forbidden way of payment is check by Fedex.
If they send the checks by regular airmail I,m sure that will be ok.
You can make suggestions to Google but it is not up to the publishers to decide.
AFAIK, the problem is not with Fedex or any express mail company. The problem is that when sender declare the value of something being mailed, Receita Federal will halt it because the receiving end must pay taxes when due.
Suggesting to Google to send it by regular mail and not declare the value of what is being mailed is like asking them to become smugglers. That is why I do not think you will have that option as I do not see Google willing to get into legal trouble just to make it easy for publishers evade taxes. They just have nothing to gain with that.
BTW, unless you have a Paypal US account, you will also not be able to withdraw funds using Paypal either even if they offer you that option.
I have a declared US account and it is possible to receive Paypal payments.
I,m sure that is not so difficult to make a payment to the brazilian publishers. We can help the Google team.
I,m sure the brazilian sites will be enter the 10 tops Adsense revenues at Google. ( We are the first country at Orkut).
I,m member of CJ and I just had to fill the " Certificate of Foreign Status of Benificial Owner for United State Tax Withholding". I will pay all IRS taxes with the " Carne Leão".
I do not think declarations for the US IRS have to do with taxes paid by citizens with residence in Brazil.
I have a declared US account and it is possible to receive Paypal payments.
Right, but that I do not think that is not a common case for most Brazilian publishers. Even though it could be a payment option acceptable for some, I do not know if Google will provide it, given that many publishers can't use it.
Ikobo.com may be a better solution than Paypal in that aspect.They send anybody receiving money a VISA debit card that lets you withdraw cash anywhere in the world where there is a VISA ATM. VISA ATMs are easy to find in Brazil.
I,m sure that is not so difficult to make a payment to the brazilian publishers. We can help the Google team.
I think you are underestimating the complexity of the details. One of the details is the cost of each payment operation which is never trivial. I suppose the delay to solve this matter is due partly to the usual bidding for the best payment provider that provides a reliable and inexpensive means to pay the money to so many publishers.
I,m sure the brazilian sites will be enter the 10 tops Adsense revenues at Google. ( We are the first country at Orkut).
Unfortunately Brazil is also the first country in other things that should be very worrying to anybody doing business via the Internet including Google, like the sad fact that 8 out of 10 hackers operate from Brazil.
I am sure this also concerns Google regarding the reliability of the means that are used to make the payments to so many publishers, while preventing any fraud attempts.
Dear mlemos, thanks for your advise. I,m just trying to help the Brazilian publishers and the Google staff about this problem. Maybe in the future Google will open an office in Brazil. Overture will open one office here at the end of this year.
Yes, we can help Google team... have some alternatives payment methods, anyone can be provisorily, until develop better method....
I just checked the Ikobo.com and I think it is a good way to receive the payment.
For me can be check, paypal, ikobo, direct deposit, money, coins... i dont care, the important is receive ASAP.
Maybe in the future Google will open an office in Brazil. Overture will open one office here at the end of this year.
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Anyway, if Google paid individual publishers in Brazil with a local company, we could all defer taxes until next year and gain at least 2% a month of interest rate (which is what it pays at least fixed revenue bank account investments).
As for Overture, since they were bought by Yahoo, I thought it would be all the same and they could operate from Yahoo Brasil.
Anyway, until proven otherwise, it seems that Overture is either not interested or not capable of monetizing small publisher sites like Google.
[edited by: Jenstar at 6:29 pm (utc) on Sep. 21, 2004]
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I just checked the Ikobo.com and I think it is a good way to receive the payment.
There is also MoneyBookers.com that lets you send money via SWIFT to anywhere in the world for a small fee (meaning that the receiving bank will charge you their fees).
It is still much better than check. From what I could gather, for instance, Banco do Brasil partners with Citybank to cash US checks. The money arrives in 10 days but Banco do Brasil holds it for more 30 days for bouncing reasons as they claim, although I am not so sure about that. One month of delay is a lot of time. Banco do Brasil keeps interest gains for themselves, not to us.
From what I could gather, for instance, Banco do Brasil partners with Citybank to cash US checks. The money arrives in 10 days but Banco do Brasil holds it for more 30 days for bouncing reasons as they claim, although I am not so sure about that. One month of delay is a lot of time. Banco do Brasil keeps interest gains for themselves, not to us.
Exact, can delay 30 -> 60 days!
You Brazilian? You know some things for somebody of another country, also wrote correctly some words in portuguese with accent, like "Carnê Leão".
É como se fosse! ;-)
:-)!
I agree, coming back to Adsense, I have a friend here in Brazil that said me that G will start approve payments of us in this week, seems that he knows somebody of the G team.
[edited by: nsqlg at 4:23 am (utc) on Sep. 21, 2004]
I hope this topic will bring the Brazilians publishers closer. The Orkut had to include the Portuguese language as an option, and the Adsense has the Portuguese as one of his official language too.
Right, I suppose that Google was caught by surprise regarding the fact that brazilians are big enthusiasts of social initiatives that bring in many people together, like carnival and soccer.
Too bad that the country statistics acted as a teaser to promote unhealthy competition between countries.
Anyway, Orkut is just a victim of its own success. I hope that AdSense and other Google revenue sharing inititiaves are not disturbed by these uncalled international/social disputes, as there are already too many publishers depending on AdSense revenue for a living.
Right, I suppose that Google was caught by surprise regarding the fact that brazilians are big enthusiasts of social initiatives that bring in many people together, like carnival and soccer.
I hate carnival and soccer, BTW keep cool, we dont need speak about this in Adsense forum...
We have interests in common, Adsense, it is the only thing that had to matter.
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[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 10:13 pm (utc) on Oct. 19, 2004]
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Você sabe como vai receber o dinheiro? eles informaram? eu tambem estou na mesma situação... vi que o meu pagamento esta liberado.. mas ate agora nada... pode me enviar noticias? ;)
Translation: "You know howto we will receive the money? They had said? I'm also in the same situation... payment already approved... but nothing yet... anybody have any news?"
Write in english please. By now dont have any alternative method of payment for us. Google have approved payment, but they dont have ideia howto do this, somebody already asked it for support and dont have anything done.
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Welcome to this Fórum. The Adsense team sent me an email telling that soon they will send our payment. As soon as I have any news, about the payment to the brazilian publishers, I will post here.
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As soon as I have any news, about the payment to the brazilian publishers, I will post here.
with luck maybe this year heh...
I am tired of this, they can banish, cut your EPC five times, make a TOS excessively restricted, they are months without paying and not to send an email explaining with useful information seem robots answering losing your time. my site dont have 10 million views, but I dont can be treated as garbage
By now, I already have abandoned my account, they dont care and have better money flush is very good, desire luck for people who continue with adsense, if you not live in USA you will need, because is forbidden for almost all countries send money/check/jewels through mail by law.
In my opinion will receive the (May, June, July and August) cheques until the end of this month.
It would be very good, but I dont believe. BTW when we will be paid, will not be check, why is months of "hard work" (like AdsenseAdvisor have said) to develop "same method of payment".
Maybe AdsenseAdvisor can say anything about
