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hooloovoo22

1:02 am on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Along with additional channels, a preview tool, additional language support, a new ad layout and some other account changes you have to agree to.

Same as before you see everything once you login and agree to terms.

Anxiously awaiting Jenstar's recap ;)

esllou

10:14 am on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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where are people getting this idea of fees from?

just give me the url on adsense site where fees were mentioned....

RonPK

10:15 am on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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esllou, check the WebSearch report page, at the bottom.

esllou

11:00 am on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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how do you unsubscribe to WebSearch once activated.

If you go to "products", you can change your text/text and image ads choices, but it doesn't seem possibile to UNsubscribe from WebSearch

will they charge fees based on you actually using the service or just on the fact that you activated it at the beginning.

the fees thing and the inability to have other search on the site makes this a non-starter for me.

peterdaly

11:01 am on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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This is great! I have already implemented it on my main site to replace my poor quality attempt at a site search.

What I would like to see:
1. Ability to Pre-Fill search box without violating the TOS.
2. Different sized search layouts, or the ability to modify the form code. The version now is just way too big.

I have already emailed G directly asking about pre-filling.

I echo the mystery "fees" worry as well.

driris

12:32 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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"Revenue from WebSearch ads may be offset at the end of the month by fees applicable to WebSearch"

can any body tell me the meaning of this sentence?

birdstuff

12:52 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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On the Adsense reports page, are the "Ad Performance" and "Search Performance" totals added together as a default like they are for channel results, or are they completely separate (which requires adding the two amounts together to get a total picture of the day's overall performance)?

For instance, when I checked my stats before I could see the totals for all stats at a glance, including any channels. If I wanted to see the channel stats separately I could then use the channels radion button and select the appropriate options.

Symbios

1:49 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Apart from the limitations on modifications to the look of the search box its pretty neat, also I like the way it defaults to a search of my site which makes it useful to my visitors.

jonathanleger

2:05 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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You know what I like the most about WebSearch? I can use it to let visitors search my site, and even if I don't have what they're looking for ("No results found"), I can still make some money from them when they click off my site via an ad. :)

Symbios

2:12 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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and even if I don't have what they're looking for ("No results found"), I can still make some money from them when they click off my site via an ad. :)

Good point, you get that in addition to 'the other clicks'

jimbeetle

2:16 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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esllou:
where are people getting this idea of fees from?

RonPK:

check the WebSearch report page, at the bottom

Google WebSearch faq [google.com...]

The program is free

Okay, so I'm a bit confused here. Don't know if I'm right, but I read into RonPK's reply that you have to first subscribe to WebSearch to see any mention of "Fees."

Is that so? What does it say about these mysterious "fees?" Is there a conflict with the faq?

Am I a bit too muddle-headed this morning or is this another poorly executed Google product launch?

Maybe another cup of coffee will help.

dazzlindonna

2:17 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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"Revenue from WebSearch ads may be offset at the end of the month by fees applicable to WebSearch"
can any body tell me the meaning of this sentence?

As far as I can tell, no one has yet been able to explain this highly confusing sentence. Jenstar? AdsenseAdvisor?

europeforvisitors

2:20 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)



Sounds like they're covering themselves in case they start charging for Sitesearch (a free service that predates AdSense).

I doubt if they'll start charging for Sitesearch any time soon, though--not when they need to stave off search competition from Yahoo and Microsoft, and not when they're making money from it by displaying AdWords on the SERPs.

Still, they might figure that, in cases where they split ad revenues with the publisher, as they do with AdSense Search, they can justify charging for Sitesearch. But I'd guess that they'd simply build such charges into the payout scheme for SiteSearch, and that the wording in the TOS is a way to protect themselves against allegations of hidden fees.

blaze

2:28 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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My guess is that they do revenue sharing in the company and that they charge for using the google search services ..

If you send a lot of traffic that doesn't convert and just uses Google Search capability then they may want the charge you for that..

novice

2:28 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Here is the link to the WebSearch page [google.com...]

It clearly states "Thereís no cost to participate, and itís easy to get started."

A bit of contradictory from what it says on the login page.

europeforvisitors

2:38 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)



Blaze: Good observation. That's the most sensible explanation. IMHO, it's a bit early for people to start panicking about search fees.

daunk

2:41 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Good luck people who experiment with this. At the moment it looks rather unprofessional to me so I'm going to give it a miss. I also think the sponsored link takes up too much, a lot of my visitors are repeats and such blatant advertising will IMO put them off.

Visi

2:52 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Got the code, and experimented with it. Works okay as a plain html page, but cant get it to work on pages where external style sheets are used. Anyone been sucessful yet with that?

edit....doh....can't use form id had to change to div id....goes to get his coffee:)Problem recsolved now.

trillianjedi

3:04 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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<Edit>Just notice that they allow some customisation, but I can't seem to play with it before I click on the "yes I want AdSense Search on my site". Is there anywhere you can see the custom options available without signing up?</Edit>

annej

3:24 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I'd like to see what the search box would look like and how it could be customized as well. I have the Google free search but have it on a separate page as it's too big to put it on a regular page. Searchboxes on the pages would do better but I don't want the search box to dominate the page. Also does the searchbox have a big bright Google logo or is it subtle like on adsense ads?

clearvision

3:25 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Okay...here is the deal...

When I pasted the code in, it didn't look anything like the example on the script generator page that says, "Your search box will look like this". I changed it to look EXACTLY like theirs visually, but it changes the tables....is that a bad?

I am sure they have been bombarded with emails, but I still sent them one to cover my bases and requested a quick review to be sure I am not breaking TOS.

Has anyone seen and stats for their searches yet?

loanuniverse

3:30 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Being able to change the look would be great, but I doubt very much that they would allow it.

The best answer would be for a quick introduction of new formats.

I can't believe no one thought of preparing several formats ahead of time. I know it took them a while to provide different look and feels {palletes} for the ads, but knowing that publishers where going to ask for options is a no-brainer.

Visi

3:40 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Annie default is 75 by 35 logo size, search box designed for white background and degrades poorly for colored backgrounds.

PanUK

4:09 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Having a site with a black background there is no way at present I see myself being able to place this slab of white search box.

I'm just frustrated other search box style/color options aren't available from the get go.

europeforvisitors

4:28 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)



Having a site with a black background there is no way at present I see myself being able to place this slab of white search box. I'm just frustrated other search box style/color options aren't available from the get go.

I'm using a simple, effective solution: a "search" link that takes the user to a search page. This requires one extra click for the user, but it has several advantages (especially when dealing with audiences that may not be Web-savvy):

1) It allows a brief text introduction;

2) It avoids the need for displaying Google's logo on my pages;

3) It allows me to place search high in the left-hand navigation bar without having a search-box script mess up the layout.

More formats would be nice, and I expect that Google will offer them at some point. But in the meantime, a simple "Search" text link works just fine.

hunderdown

4:48 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)



europeforvisitors has a good approach. I currently use Atomz for site search and was wondering how to efficiently strip out Atomz and put in Google...

When I get around to it, I'll probably put the Google box on a few key pages and put a text link to a search page on all others.

Lipik

4:52 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Europeforvisitors, be carefull for this :
- The search box has to be placed on a page with content related to your site...
So I think placing it on an 'empty' page is against TOS.
So there must be some content on the search-page, isn't it?

novice

4:56 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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EFV does have a good approach. What about the concern in the TOS

"The search box has to be placed on a page with content related to your site."

I know it is a pretty vague term. How much content does Google considered acceptable?

edit/ Lipik types faster than me.

level80

4:59 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I used Google under the free site search (long before it was offered as an Adsense option).

What is extremely interesting is that through the hits on your logo you can tell the strings (keywords) that people are searching for from your log files.

From this you can compile a list of what people searched for on the site but didn't find (and if you have time) add pages on this subject increasing Pagerank etc.

Anyway - just a few small thoughts - to me the above is more useful than the advertising revenue....

just got lightning and thunder here... :P

hunderdown

5:31 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)



If the search box has to be on a page with content related to your site, how would a site index page do?

My site is mostly articles and links pages related to a fairly small content niche, and on the site index page I simply list them all alphabetically, linked. Definitely content related to my site.... (and a very handy complement to the search box)

Thumbs up or thumbs down? Maybe I better email the AdSense folks.

europeforvisitors

5:33 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)



Lipik, thanks for pointing that out, but I'm not displaying the search box on an empty page. The TOS state, "Each Web page(s) that contains a Search Box must also contain other content related to Your Site," and my search page does.

My latest implementation of the search page includes a table of contents with links to the main menus of my site. So having a separate search page (rather than a search box on every page) allows me to provide the equivalent of a top-level site map for my main site and my "sites within the site."

BTW, it's easy to see why Google requires that the search box be on a page that contains other content related to one's site. If there were no such requirement, we'd see massive sites that consisted of nothing but keywords and search boxes.

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