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Section Targeting (with a very small section)

         

jomaxx

5:57 pm on Jun 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Okay, I have a website that involves people. If it were about writers (which it's not) I might have a page for Isaac Asimov. Now regardless of the variety of content of the page, I want to be showing ads primarily about "Isaac Asimov", assuming any are available. Not "books", not "science fiction", not even "robots". My ideal page targeting would be "Isaac Asimov".

If it was about football, one page might need to be about "Jerry Rice". If magicians, "David Blaine". And so on. These pages are all about the person, and the majority of visitors arrive by searching on that person's name in one engine or another.

Anyway I started testing section targeting a few days ago, using the name alone in the targeted section. This is certainly less content than Google recommends including, but since the effect is to emphasize a certain section rather than to target ads on that text alone, it seems like this should be an acceptable implementation. This is Google's exact wording: "In order to properly implement this feature, you'll need to include a significant amount of content within the section targeting tags. Including insufficient content may result in less relevant ads or PSAs."

The results so far (> 10,000 impressions to date) are good: the CTR is WAY higher, the CPC is slightly lower, and overall eCPM is up about 50% on these particular channels. Plus even if there is no exact match, the ads don't appear any less targeted than before.

Comments? Anybody else doing this? I am 100% confident that this is not misleading in any way, but I'm still wary about pushing the envelope.

UserFriendly

6:24 pm on Jun 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

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So far I've only used section markers with the weight=ignore pseudo-attribute, and it does seem to help the ads avoid falling into irrelevant topics.

Now you've praised positive section targeting, I may give that a try on the pages that seem to have fairly hazy ads. Hopefully I'll see a similar improvement in ad quality.

netmeg

7:59 pm on Jun 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I tried that, but I wasn't really able to get it to work well for me. Maybe I didn't give it enough time - how long was it before you started to see results?

annej

12:12 am on Jun 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I am interested in knowing if this is OK as well. The section I'm thinking of is something like 'blankets for widgets' but on one page it's on 'blankets for specfic widgets'. I want to get the ads for those specific widgets instead of more blankets. I have plenty of blanket ads on the other pages and in this case the visitors are more interested in the specific widgets.

I am using section targeting but not as small a section as you are using. Does anyone know if there are any rules as far as how specifically you can do section targeting?

I know being this specific wouldn't work with some topics but with this one there are plenty of ads available as far as I can tell. I'm guessing this is the case for the topic jomaxx is using section targeting for as well.

jomaxx

12:28 am on Jun 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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In my subject area I would say the number of available ads that specifically mention the relevant person's name ranges from "plenty" down to zero. But the alternative ads still seem okay, and I'd do anything to get the most relevant ads wherever possible. I'm sure it produces a much higher click rate, and it must be much better for the advertiser as well.

netmeg: There were observable differences in performance by the next day.

netmeg

3:40 am on Jun 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Well I'm trying to skew more towards ads specific to just about anything having to do with my own state; maybe I'll give it another shot.

dibbern2

6:02 am on Jun 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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This works for me:
1. Go to an Adwords account, open the search terms tool.
2. Sort Google's suggested terms for the keyword you enter (i.e.,blankets for widgets) by advertiser competition.
3. Download into an xls sheet, sort for highest competition.
4. Use those terms in a <h> tag of about 12-15 words. Place the targeting tags just inside the <h> tags.

I'm getting improved targeting, and I can tweak the phrases in the <h> tags to play with the whole equation.

netmeg

3:15 pm on Jun 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Well, with my situation, my main site (domain name) is two words, one of which is the name of my state. I actually get a lot (probably all) of the targeted ads for the second word; I would like to get more ads targeted on the first word (my state). I'm not going to get any targeted ads on the two words together, because few if anyone besides me would advertise on those words, and I'm not using AdWords or anything but SERPS, links and word of mouth for this site.

annej

7:36 pm on Jun 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I just narrowed the section targeting on a couple of pages. They had gone back to the general topic of the site and though that topic does fit the pages the main topics are more specific and I want to see if I can get that specific targeting going.

I just re-read the info on section targeting. It looks like there is no rule as to how narrow the targeting can be. It just warns that if it is too narrow you may not get good matches on the ads. So I think it's just a matter of experimenting with what works.

What they did warn is that you can't manipulate the section targeting to get ads that are not the topic of the page.

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12:24 am on Jun 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi jomaxx --

It sounds like you're targeting words that are very relevant to your content. However, please note that using section targeting on just one or two words is considered to be manipulating regular ad targeting, and is prohibited by our program policies. This is one of the reasons we ask publishers to use whole sentences and paragraphs with section targeting.

Also, highlighting a larger block of text may actually increase the number of advertisers competing to display on your site by expanding the 'context' of your page to a slightly broader pool of ads. This could lead to more revenue for you if it drives the auction higher.

Lastly, just to clarify, we want to make sure your ads are as effective as possible, so our technology detects whether section targeting will improve your results and implements automatically only if you'll earn more revenue.

-ASA

jomaxx

12:33 am on Jun 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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[grumble]

martinibuster

3:00 am on Jun 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Here is something that works well with a phpBB forum.

1: Open up viewtopic_body.tpl
(hint: you can find it here: templates > subSilver)

2: Locate this section and add the Google Section Targeting Code:

<tr> <!-- google_ad_section_start -->
<td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">{postrow.MESSAGE}{postrow.SIGNATURE}</span><span class="gensmall">{postrow.EDITED_MESSAGE}</span></td>
</tr><!-- google_ad_section_end -->

The section targeting will wrap around every post. In the forum I implemented this on, the ads snapped into focus much better. It helped alleviate the phenomenom in which ads from other topics were invading unrelated ones.

[edited by: martinibuster at 6:07 am (utc) on June 21, 2006]

youfoundjake

4:18 am on Jun 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Martinibuster..now i can see why you are a moderator.. adding the code to my phpbb forum as soon as im done poking around here at WebmasterWorld for yet another 2 hours of informative reading. :) I love the members here!

annej

7:23 am on Jun 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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so our technology detects whether section targeting will improve your results and implements automatically only if you'll earn more revenue.

AdsenseAdvisor, the problem with this is sometimes I don't expecially want the best paying ads, I want them to specifically fit the article. In the long run I will earn more and the advertisers will get visitors more likely to convert if the ad could be specific to the article.

On my site it's a nice break to see more specific ads now and then. Most of the time it's just widgeting or widgets. The same ads are served up page after page. Some ads with a slightly different slant on pages with a different slant on the topic are most refreshing to me and I suspect to my visitors.