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Anyone experiencing good earnings using Mambo/Joomla?

         

fi5hbone

3:08 am on Apr 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I have this other site and I was thinking of bringing it to Mambo/Joomla. I handcoded this site but it was getting a bit too big for me and I also want to be closer to my visitors.

However I heard stories about how cms and adsense do not work together so I was wondering if anyone can shed some light onto this? Is anyone here earning well using Mambo or Joomla? What is the CTR like?

Erku

3:31 am on Apr 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I know a site which is good but is new. I mean it's good in terms of Adsense, using joomla, but yet it's still new. A lot of work has been done on it.

IF anyone here used it, I would like to know too, since my next project will be on joomla.

thank you

fi5hbone

6:15 am on Apr 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hmm, I also would like to know. I don't know much about coding or anything like that so it's quite difficult for me to code my own cms. But yet I would not like to lose out on the pie! A little bit of coding is fine, but to start from scratch is way outta my league.

Anyone else who is using Mambo/Joomla and doing well with regards to adsense?

albl

6:42 am on Apr 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I have a site in joomla and it performs well. I don't understand however why a cms platform would have any bearing on adsense earnings? It is the traffic+content that matters.

Joomla as any other good cms allows SEF urls and has couple of adsense components to make an easy integration or you can paste adsense blocks into typed content directly.

Joomla supports custom templates and you can have lightweight joomla template with little graphics or a heavyweight with flash animations, etc. There are quite a few free templates readily available too.

So my opinion is that you will do as good with joomla as with a static html site.

fi5hbone

7:26 am on Apr 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Thank you albl!

I was wondering because of the fact the php or css might influence the ads that are being displayed. Like how framed pages present a problem. Or anything similar. Or the ads do not capture the content properly and start displaying irrelavant ads.

Is it difficult to make your own Joomla! template?

albl

9:02 am on Apr 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I didn't experience any problems with css and adsense, also joomla does not use frames.

You need basic PHP and HTML knowledge to make a joomla template. That said there is plenty of differently styled free templates where you just replace the images with yours. Search google on joomla templates, most of the sites have preview or screenshots.

fi5hbone

9:26 am on Apr 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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What I'm experiencing after migration is an increase in page views per person but the CTR rate is amazingly low. Right now I have ads posted at the bottom of each article. Any idea what I can do to improve my CTR?

albl

12:21 pm on Apr 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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It would be normal if your converted site displaying more pages then the previous version, look at the final earnings not CTR or eCPM to compare.

As for increasing CTR the only way is to experiment with ads placement and colours. Each site is different.

[edited by: albl at 12:26 pm (utc) on April 22, 2006]

larryhatch

12:23 pm on Apr 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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What is Mambo/Joomla?

I'm still trying to wrap my head around Bill Clinton doing the Macarena and Cheese. -LH

albl

12:31 pm on Apr 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Forgot to ask, did you enable SEF (Search Friendly URLs) for you site, these are good for google rankings. Also give GoogleBot a bit of time to index your new pages and serve better ads. It takes up to 2 weeks of adsense to adjust and server best ads on your pages.

Also don't draw any conclusions too quickly. Today my CTR is 40% less then usual for Saturdays. Wait at least a 2 weeks or so.

joftech

1:09 pm on Apr 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Thank you albl!

I was wondering because of the fact the php or css might influence the ads that are being displayed. Like how framed pages present a problem. Or anything similar. Or the ads do not capture the content properly and start displaying irrelavant ads.

Is it difficult to make your own Joomla! template?

You can use OpenSEF and it's possible to place Google Adsense on a framed page, just make sure you check that button when generating your code.

fi5hbone

3:37 pm on Apr 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Thanks joftech! I'll keep that in mind the next time I'm going to use frames!

Albl: Hmmm, so I should not compare my CTR and CPM with my previous layout? This is interesting because I have been very demoralized since then. However, I did see an increase in page impressions. As for earnings, I can't say because I think like what you say, it's still wee too early. But I really appreciate the insight you are providing me! Thank you!

albl

3:44 pm on Apr 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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don't forget that adsensebot neds to crawl all you pages to serve relevant ads, then adsense needs to figure out the best paying ads again. So I wouldn't draw any conclusions for the next 14 days.

fi5hbone

4:00 pm on Apr 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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That's a mighty long time! But it's ok. I shall wait it out. Meanwhile, I can concentrate on my ongoing exams. HAH. By the way, you mind stickying me your website for a a bit? Just to take a look, I promise you it will be just for reference. But it's perfectly fine to say no though!

BillyS

1:29 am on Apr 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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>>Anyone else who is using Mambo/Joomla and doing well with regards to adsense?

I'm not exactly sure what this question means. Joomla / Mambo allow you to create your own templates and place ads pretty much anywhere you want. So they are flexible when it comes to ad placement. Google also does an excellent job of ad targeting. My site does very well from a CTR standpoint, if that is what you mean.

If you're talking about other aspects of Joomla (SEF), this is probably the wrong forum. But I will tell you that Joomla is pretty much a php / mysql / apache CMS (right now). Because it's database driven you can get into some trouble creating duplicate content.

I've been using Mambo / Joomla for a little over 2 years now and I'd gladly join in a conversation of the pitfalls / highlights of that particular CMS. Just sticky me if you post it in the right forum and want my opinion. That kind of discussion will get lost in this forum.

BillyS

1:34 am on Apr 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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By the way, Joomla does not use frames.

fi5hbone

2:40 am on Apr 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hey, I sent you a sticky already. Hit me back yeah?

Update: Been monitoring my CTR/CPM and it plunged. Like way plunged. Got a feeling that I am doing something wrong or like what Albl said, I gotta wait a bit. But this plunge is way deeper than I would have liked it. Anyone has any insight?

BillyS

2:42 pm on Apr 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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>>Hey, I sent you a sticky already. Hit me back yeah?

You've got mail.

Leva

3:52 pm on Apr 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I use Wordpress in a number of areas on the site -- granted, different CMS, but same concept. CTR is around 5% and the ecpm is acceptable for this topic.

Just make sure that your site has SEO-friendly URLS and titles. Wordpress doesn't have an option for meta tags but the search engines seems happy with having nicely descriptive URLS.

Leva

fi5hbone

4:06 pm on Apr 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I think right now what I am having trouble with is ad placement. Cannot seem to find a place where I can get a decent CTR. Compared to my previous site, the CTR I'm having now is at an all time low. Even my earnings are at an all time low. Sigh.

malachite

4:23 pm on Apr 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I think right now what I am having trouble with is ad placement. Cannot seem to find a place where I can get a decent CTR. Compared to my previous site, the CTR I'm having now is at an all time low.

Why don't you put the ads in the same place you had them before then? If CTR was so good, it would seem sensible to put them in the same place. If your current template doesn't support that position, find one that does.

The system used to create the site, be it Dreamweaver, Frontpage or a CMS like Joomla shouldn't make any difference to your earnings.

What albl said is right though. If you have gone from mysite.com/friendly.html URLs to a CMS style of "option5=ID7=string8" kind, then Adsense may be having difficulty serving well targetted ads. Unless you use a module which generates SEF friendly URLs, it will take a while for Google to re-index your site and serve appropriate ads.

fi5hbone

4:51 pm on Apr 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I've changed it to one which displays numbers like /0/1 kinda thing. Is it friendly enough? Or should I change it to like a really friendly one?

Emilio

5:04 pm on Apr 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I have a site in Joomla that is 5 months old and it performs very well. It gets about 3 million adsense impressions a month and ads are very well targetted. The site itself recieves about 8 million pageviews per month.

Jafo

5:07 pm on Apr 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I use Joomla for a site and it performs very well with Adsense and with SE rankings..

I use SEF, and all seems well.

fi5hbone

5:17 pm on Apr 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hmmm, this thread seems to be picking up. I would hope that it is because of the weekend!

Anyhow, thanks for the positive feedback. Just what I needed. Was kinda afraid that I did the wrong thing by migrating over. But the template handling was really getting quite tricky.

What ad placements are you all using anyway?

icedowl

5:44 pm on Apr 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I'm not at all well versed in php, but I've been able to edit a template's HTML and add in new locations for the display of adblocks or whatever other module I want to place in it. The templates that I've tried are all table driven so it's not too hard to follow what is already in the HTML. Keep in mind that any new location has to have an unique name.

It is also necessary to edit the 'locations' file or the new locations can't be used. Just make sure that an untouched copy of the template is saved in case of major mistakes.

I began using Mambo in February 2005, switched to Joomla shortly after it became available. I only use the built-in SEF. Ads generally have good targeting and average CTR is over 6%.

fi5hbone

5:53 pm on Apr 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I see. I'm switching over to Joomla too. Right now, I am just uploading over the current Mambo directory. Mmmm, according to the help, it's all right. Oh well.

Anyhow, why not use OpenSEF. It allows your URLs to have your page titles.

icedowl

6:03 pm on Apr 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Perhaps I'll test it out on one of my 'minor' sites that runs Joomla. I just downloaded it and hope I find no problems.

malachite

7:55 pm on Apr 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I've changed it to one which displays numbers like /0/1 kinda thing. Is it friendly enough? Or should I change it to like a really friendly one?

OK, so you're using the built in one. You could also try one of the "really friendly" ones, like SEF Advance or similar.

I use both, and to be honest it doesn't seem to make a deal of difference to the quality of the ads - they're all pretty well targetted.

BUT, as stated earlier, if you've suddenly changed your site from friendly .html URLs over to the /0/1/ kind, it will take Adsense a while to figure out your new pages. You might see ads for purple potatoes for a week or so 'til it figures out your site's about blue widgets.

fi5hbone

3:17 am on Apr 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Update: CTR continues to be low. Weirdly enough, number of ads served seems to have dropped as well. Sigh. I know there is supposed to be a drop, but surely not this big a drop right?
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