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What is your experience with home pages

Do you get better overall returns with home page ads or none?

         

21_blue

8:03 pm on Apr 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I've just tried removing all the ads from my home page, leaving just a site map. I don't think this will have any smartpricing impact (see my EPC-based strategy [webmasterworld.com]) because, with one site covering many niches, and a mix of ads appearing on my home page, average EPC was good for some topics but poor for others. Also, the correlation between home page EPC and site earnings was 0 (ie no relation).

But I wonder what other types of impact there might be of having no ads on the home page. One side of me thinks that visitors will follow the site map to pages of interest. But another side of me thinks that if a visitor has gone to the home page then what I've offered so far hasn't met their needs, so perhaps ads might be a good offering.

What has been your experience of ads on home pages? Are they a good or bad thing?

celgins

8:08 pm on Apr 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I don't know if it's a good or bad thing, but I didn't have ads on my homepage for almost a year.

I run a magazine site, so the homepage just consists of stories and articles that are found behind it. Users hit the homepage, see what articles are featured, then click the links to go deeper into the site.

Within the site, there are (of course) links to each page, and links back to the homepage. I've learned that once folks go below my homepage, they tend to stay below it (hovering around within the dozens of article pages)

The article pages is where I keep ads.

About three months ago, I added a few ads to the homepage, but haven't noticed any sharp increases in CTR or revenue.

dibbern2

9:49 pm on Apr 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I too have tried ads on home pages and felt they were not worth it. The ctr was far below "inside" pages, probably because AS had some trouble deciphering our subject, as the home page is much more general than specific content pages.

Taking them off only cost a few dollars a month in revenues.

europeforvisitors

10:00 pm on Apr 20, 2006 (gmt 0)



I took AdSense off my home page because I was getting too many ugly site-targeted CPM ads and off-topic contextual ads. The revenue wasn't necessarily bad (most of the time, the ads were okay), but the page wasn't conveying the right image to press, PR people, etc.

Hobbs

10:07 pm on Apr 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Removed ads from home page too for the same reasons as europeforvisitors, earnings were good there but it killed the flow of direct advertisers, as well as lowered the rate of new inbound links from other webmasters, also it just looked ugly there, image ads on the other hand work and look better.

spaceylacie

10:35 pm on Apr 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I don't run ads on my main pages either. Yes, better overall returns without them. For one, the home pages just point people to where to go on the site and what all is available, not just one subject like the internal pages so ads are not nearly as targeted. I don't think as many sites would link to me with ads on the index pages. I don't think my site(the one that I know has been in print publications) would get mentioned as much in print publications if there were ads on the index pages. When I did run ads there, CTR was less than 10% of the internal pages hurting my overall stats and even when they did get clicks, those clicks didn't pay as much.

My index pages are set up to draw people into the site, the only way out is the back button or to click on one of my higher paying internal pages.

david_uk

3:27 am on Apr 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Just to be different, my biggest earner is the home page. In the last couple of years I've been trialling banners on most pages in one format or another, and it still manages to be the biggest earner by far.

I don't think having the ads there makes any difference to what the visitors look at as most of them are there for the information. Nor do I think that having ads on a home page reflects badly on a site. Basically, visitors are used to seeing ads on most web pages they view - home pages, content pages - all of them.

However, I do believe in not showing ads on every page. I'm sure it leads to ad-blindness and lower revenues because of it. Therefore ads should go where they work best. If they don't work on the home page then that's a good page to have as ad free.

hunderdown

4:07 am on Apr 21, 2006 (gmt 0)



I added one modest adlinks block to my home page about a year ago, and doubled my total income. This after I'd tried adblocks there, and never liked the way they looked.

I think it works for me because the home page is not only the page with the most traffic, but a page which has always had a very high exit rate. I think many people come to the site via links or searches, decide it isn't exactly what they want, and leave. Before that adlinks block was there, I just lost those visitors. Now I earn some money from some of them, because they find an adlinks phrase that's closer to what they were looking for than what they see on the page.

And other visitors still travel on into the site--income from other pages hasn't been affected.

annej

4:12 am on Apr 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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My homepage does pretty well but my second level pages that are index pages to each section don't do well at all. There is no reason to have ads there. The article pages really do well with adsense.

I'd kind of like to be able to leave the ads off of my homepage but it would hurt income wise. I don't know if people who click on the ads would go deeper into the site if there were no ads.

david_uk

5:39 am on Apr 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Personally I don't feel that they do. I think Hunterdown makes an extremely valid point that a lot of what clicks on the index page is natural exit traffic anyway - it just exits via your adsense.

But to contrast that idea, I have been running a tracker intermittantly, and one of the stiking things I found was that those who clicked ads often had the highest number of page views. I.E. they cleary clicked back. I'd like to think that the reason for this is the relevance of ads to the topic. Specifically, real ads not MFA's. Not trying to go off topic here btw, just making a point.

I have an adlinks unit at the bottom which does surprisingly well. I'm now wondering if it's worth trying adlinks at the bottom of some of the pages. Once the visitor has scrolled down and scanned (even read :) ) the page they get a list of other places to go. Maybe that's where adlinks work best for that reason anyway?

21_blue

8:24 am on Apr 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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david_uk wrote:
those who clicked ads often had the highest number of page views. I.E. they cleary clicked back.

There may be a smartprice penalty for this - one more click back for you may mean one less conversion for the advertiser?

Khensu

11:18 am on Apr 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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My home page used to be my big earner. I was either smart priced or it was CPM targeted by a few big players and earnings plummeted after 4 months of great revenue (.17>.07). Now I have spun-off my less converting pages and index to YPN leaving only the juicy pages for Adsense, worked quite well. Only a 2% CTR on the index instead of 10% but this passes more people to the secondary content pages.

I also moved my 160x600 tower on the right to a large rectangle dead center, above the fold and my income increased 3X in one day ($75>$225). I am still pinching myself and had to check today just to make sure. I was kind of positive because the YPN results went right with it proportionally.

It is a great thing but I could have done it months ago, still kicking myself as I celebrate.

trillianjedi

11:24 am on Apr 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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also moved my 160x600 tower on the right to a large rectangle dead center, above the fold

On the homepage or secondary pages?

TJ

Khensu

11:30 am on Apr 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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On the secondary pages, the YPN tower is still on the home page but I am lax to move it because of the layout and the money is exactly where I want it so I don't want to fool with it.

Khensu

11:45 am on Apr 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I think it has something to do with horizontal mode. Once someone starts to read left to right they keep reading that way right through the ads. If it is on the side it is a seperate thought for them and either they execute it first or last or not at all.

21_blue

11:57 am on Apr 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for all the comments on home page ads. FWIW, I've done some initial analysis comparing site navigation with and without ads (I'll not quote CTR as that's against TOS):
  • With ads, 63% navigated to other parts of the site and 23% exited the site without clicking on ads.
  • Without ads, 68% navigated to other parts fo the site and 32% exited the site without clicking on ads.
  • Overall income level seems to be about the same, possibly because the 5% extra traffic that I retain exits the site via higher-paying pages. Though the timescale is too short to make that comparison meaningful.

Overall, therefore, there seems to be little short term impact of having ads or not. I think I'm inclined to leave ads off the page, because of the other benefits that people have cited. I'll look at redesigning the page to try and reduce the 32% exit rate.

annej

5:14 pm on Apr 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I think many people come to the site via links or searches, decide it isn't exactly what they want, and leave.

This would explain why my homepage gets a lot of ad clicks while my second level index pages go essentially unclicked. If people don't leave the HP but instead go to that second level index page The are really interested in the topic. There they find a list of articles on exactly what they are interested in so are more likely to move on to an article instead of an ad.

send2paul

6:16 pm on Apr 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Adlinks at the foot of the page, (if your homepage is quite texty), fit in well. Main do okay with revenue :)