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i have been using adwords for yrs making money off affiliate programs but know i am looking for ways to increase my income so i added 3 adsense ads to all my site pages to see how much extra money i can earn.
So can i still us adwords to market my site as a adsense member?
Regarding your idea of three blocks on every page - DON'T DO IT! It's perfectly legitimate for you to do it, but it may not be effective. A better strategy is to have a channel assigned to each block, monitor the effectiveness of all blocks and delete the innefective ones. There are several current threads about removing unproductive ad blocks to earn you more money.
Thats great news!
Guys like you just contribute to adblindness of our visitors. If I would click on an Ad, then get to a page with more ads, where I click again, just to get to another page with ads ... I would eventually never ever click on any ads again.
So I run the occasional campaign to get a few more visitors to my information site and I'm suddenly public enemy #1?
I mostly opt out of content advertising, and it's clear the ads are for an information site. I guess the biggest surprise is that any visitors that click my ads actually do find an information site (as advertised), as opposed to the usual crap youi get when you click an information site advert.
visitors from my adwords dont come to my site for the googleads so think before you say something stupid again mate!
My site is build for return visitors (members) not one off adsense clickers!
visitors from my adwords dont come to my site for the googleads
It they are not coming to your site for the ads (which I want to believe you), then why do you show them the ads at all?
No offense (sorry kassius, sorry david_uk). But it's a widely spread opinion here that one should filter all advertisers that have ads on their pages themselves. And it makes sense b/c those are usually (at least in my experience) your direct competitors.
My site works out like this
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adwords + Services that i offer + affiliate programs + adsense
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So my members come back daily for the services that i offer if they choose to click on a affiliate program or adsense link thats great my site doesnt work like
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adwords + adsense
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So as you can see there is a big different between the two!
>> "then why do you show them the ads at all?"
Hosting and my time running the site is not free look at yahoo.com msn.com do the have ads mmmmmm why?
[edited by: jatar_k at 9:17 pm (utc) on April 12, 2006]
Therefore I rather object to your comments.
My site itself has been online since early 2000, and I didn't join adsense until January 2004. So my site could hardly be considered an MFA - especially as the format worked well and few changes have been made to the site to incorporate adsense.
As someone who has a long and successful history of blocking, I'd say that some of the suggestions of late are over the top. I don't agree with blocking an advertiser simply because the landing page has ads on it. There are very few sites online that carry NO advertising. Even the BBC website carries some ads, and that's funded by TV licence payers in the UK!
You simply have to accept the fact that most sites do carry ads from one supplier or other, and make choices on if the site complements yours, and your visitors might find it of use. I personally don't consider legitimate competition a reason for blocking, I do consider being an MFA a legitimate reason.
It they are not coming to your site for the ads (which I want to believe you), then why do you show them the ads at all?
I show ads to make money, like everyone here. Should I remove them during the times I run an adwords campaign then? As I said, I don't actually make money from converting adwords visitors into increased adsense clicks. The best I've ever managed is to just about break even. I run campaigns mostly when there is something new on the site I'd like people to know about. I regard it as an expense - just like Google regards publishers (traffic aquisition costs).
I know one of the reasons the adwords traffic doesn't covert into increased clicks is the fact that my site has content. Arbitrage only works well if you don't have any useful content - ever seen an MFA? And I really don't care if you believe me or not. [Gallic shrug]
[edited by: jatar_k at 9:17 pm (utc) on April 12, 2006]
I enjoy discussion, it breeds understanding, arguing, not so much.
We can be friends and still disagree.
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david_uk: I totally understand that you want to make money, as that's what we are all here for and there is nothing wrong with this.
Once again, my only point was that I personally usually filter those advertisers that have google ads on their pages themselves (I'm not saying that it's bad or immoral or anything, really!). All I'm saying is that it's probably a good rule of thumb to filter those advertisers, since they are most likely your competitors and that's what the filtering is for.
Can we agree on that? If I were to use AdWords along with AdSense (since I don't sell anything directly; my page is entirely content/service oriented), my ads would most likely appear on some of my competitors pages (who offer similar content/services). So it would be wise of them to filter me, wouldn't it?
PS: Again, I'm sorry if I offended anyone here. I like this forum very much, since it is has been such a remarkable source of ideas and inspirations for me.
Once again, my only point was that I personally usually filter those advertisers that have google ads on their pages themselves (I'm not saying that it's bad or immoral or anything, really!). All I'm saying is that it's probably a good rule of thumb to filter those advertisers, since they are most likely your competitors and that's what the filtering is for.Can we agree on that? If I were to use AdWords along with AdSense (since I don't sell anything directly; my page is entirely content/service oriented), my ads would most likely appear on some of my competitors pages (who offer similar content/services). So it would be wise of them to filter me, wouldn't it?
Actually, I don't agree with you. I think you need to look at each site, and decide on it on an individual basis. Because they carry ads is not a reason to block them IMHO. If the site in some way complements your site, or you feel it might be of use to your visitors then it's not a good idea to block them.
Filtering out direct competititors, or sites you don't agree with are perfectly legitimate, but there is the danger that by blocking genuine advertisers that pay well you will have them replaced with poor paying MFA's.
My site is informational, and I have nothing to sell either. When I run campaigns it's usually to directly related areas. For example, my site is about male green widgets. I'll advertise to the female green widget area, and other areas where I feel the visitors might find my site useful. There isn't any point in advertising to male green widgets as you then get the situation of my ad appearing on Google search pages alongside my site.
I feel that sites that complement mine are welcome to advertise on my site if the information is of value to my visitors.
I'd rather have a competitor's ad that paid well than a poor paying MFa any day!
