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Should I report my competitor

Adsense Competitor Using Unfair means

         

TheFlipguy

10:24 pm on Apr 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I have a user driven website where users post a lot of content. My main competitor who also uses adsense has now started using unfair means to get more traffic. He has started directly copying content posted by my users word to word on his site! And he has registered on my site and sends private messages to my users with links to his site. Even though I have some basic anti spam measures (he can send only few private messages per hour), it is still not stopping him. What should I do? Is there any case for me to report him to G?

This is a bit worrying for me. Previously I wasn't worried much because I *knew* my site in its niche would be the most popular in my country since it is best designed and is of very high quality compared to the competitor. But if he continues using unfair means, I may soon have to pack up my website! Help!

Flip

btas2

10:53 pm on Apr 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Sure. I'd report him to Adsense and I'd also take whatever measures are available to you in your country for theft of content (in the US under the DMCA - see Wikipedia).

BigDave

11:32 pm on Apr 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I'd also take whatever measures are available to you in your country for theft of content (in the US under the DMCA - see Wikipedia).

Except that if it is only user supplied content, then TheFlipguy has no right to file a complaint. Only the user that posted the message has the right to file a DMCA complaint, because they are the ones that hold the copyright on the individual posts.

On the other hand, if there are entire threads that are copied, then TheFlipguy could file a DMCA on the collection copyright.

Filing a DMCA on posts by a user could open you up charges of perjury and countersuits.

You can try complaining to Google, who knows, it might make a difference.

thebirdbath

3:33 am on Apr 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Easy, ban his IP from your site. Problem solved.
Delete his user name, ect.

Now would someone help me with my cookie problem?

martinibuster

3:46 am on Apr 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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You might want to consider retaining the services of an attorney. They can probably help you put a stop to this faster than a DMCA, if you're in a hurry. I have great respect for what attorneys can accomplish, worth every dollar- if not more.

Only the user that posted the message has the right to file a DMCA complaint, because they are the ones that hold the copyright on the individual posts.

That depends on the rules you have on your forum. I own the copyright on all posts on my forums.

It's all mine, mine, mine!
:) Y

yolkman

4:34 am on Apr 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Simple solution.

"service httpd stop"

Do your pages as intranet NOT internet.

TheFlipguy

5:16 pm on Apr 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Thank you guys for all the suggestions.

For now, I have disabled his profile and also banned his IP. But that will probably stop him only temporarily. Using an attorney is not an option right now as I cannot afford one.

Contacting Google seems like the best option. But this seems like an extreme measure. I'll probably watch his activities in the next few days and see what his next move is.

I guess the best way to counter this is to improve my site further. As it is my site is much ahead in terms of quality. I'll just work harder and make it impossible for him to ever catch up.

Flip

Tearabite

5:23 pm on Apr 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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hopefully nobody will go to an internet cafe, and anonymously click on all his ads, a few days in a row..

that would be horrible if someone did that, because then he might get banned..

TheFlipguy

5:42 pm on Apr 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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hopefully nobody will go to an internet cafe, and anonymously click on all his ads, a few days in a row..

that would be horrible if someone did that, because then he might get banned..


hahaha Tearabite! To be frank, when I first came to know what he did, I was so enraged that I got all sort of ideas in my mind. And clicking on all his ads was considered too! But then I *know* what can be the consequences :-) and better sense prevailed. His ads are not being clicked upon.

Question: Is google smart enough to understand it if he goes to a cybercafe and starts clicking on my ads? The recent "i got banned for click fraud by not fault of mine" threads are enough to give me the creeps.

Flip

BigDave

5:42 pm on Apr 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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That depends on the rules you have on your forum. I own the copyright on all posts on my forums.

You might want to check with your lawyer on that one. Your rules don't mean anything in this case, at least as far as US law. Any copyright transfer needs to be in writing and signed by the copyright holder.

Title 17 section 204(a):

(a) A transfer of copyright ownership, other than by operation of law, is not valid unless an instrument of conveyance, or a note or memorandum of the transfer, is in writing and signed by the owner of the rights conveyed or such owner’s duly authorized agent.

jomaxx

5:44 pm on Apr 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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TheFlipguy: Glad to see you have more sense than Tearabite. That was an idiotic suggestion. There's every chance in the world that your little attempt at "payback" could blow up in your face.

DamonHD

6:03 pm on Apr 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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...quite apart from being theft/fraud and entirely unethical.

Rgds

Damon

andrea99

7:12 pm on Apr 8, 2006 (gmt 0)



You might want to consider retaining the services of an attorney.

I think martinibuster has the best suggestion, but unless you have a lawyer in your family shop carefully for an attorney who has some knowledge in this area. This shopping process will also yield some clues as to the best action and which further attributes you seek in an attorney.

martinibuster

7:18 pm on Apr 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Actually I'm reconsidering my copyright policy after checking out Brett's comments in this thread:

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Tearabite

5:47 am on Apr 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Jomaxx.. re-read my post.. i made no such "suggestion".. i simply pointed out the disastrous consequences if someone were to do such a thing to this person that deserves it so much..

..that being said, i'm sure that FlipGuy DOES have more sense than i do..

jomaxx

6:15 am on Apr 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

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i simply pointed out the disastrous consequences if someone were to do such a thing

Oh come on. Why even say that? You probably don't REALLY believe that's the way people should deal with minor disputes, but that's exactly what you were suggesting.

Sorry for calling your post idiotic, but somebody somewhere will read that post without a sufficient degree of irony and might actually try it.

TheFlipguy

6:32 am on Apr 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Thanks Jomaxx for the warning about why one should not click on competitor's ads. And I think that is was Tearabite was saying in a humorous manner.

I'm sure we all do have enough sense to realize G can easily know something as stupid as clicking on a competitors ads. That must be way high on their list of things to look out for.

So to all those people who are thinking about clicking on their competitors ads to get them booted out of Adsense: DON'T DO IT. G will find out it was you and you will be the one who gets kicked out.

Flip

/gets enough nightmares about getting booted out of adsense to try out anything that might make it a reality...