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60% of Adsense ads on my page are MFAs!

         

creativepart

10:43 pm on Mar 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I never paid attention to the ads on my page really. Then I read about people that have a problem with the 200 domain limit for the ad filter and how they were keeping out MFA websites

What's going on with this?

On a totally unrealted note: I even found a MFA with a misspelling of my website's domain name! There's success for you.

Paul Green
(MFA if you don't know, I didn't, are "Made for Adsense" they aren't really websites just pages of Adsense ads).

jomaxx

11:06 pm on Mar 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Based on Google's statements about targeting ads that maximize CPM, you'd think that they wouldn't be harmful to your site. Yet most people who've tried banning them seem to feel it has increased their bottom-line earnings.

I say ban them simply because they try to poach high-value traffic for the least possible click price. I can't fathom how that could be beneficial to me.

P.S. Forget about the 200 domain limit until you actually hit your head on it. You may never get there.

Nitrous

12:08 am on Mar 5, 2006 (gmt 0)



Trust me. If you ban all ads that do not actually sell a product or service directly your income will go up over a few days/month massively.

I am one of those banging my head on a limit...

If I remove them all from the filter my incom goes from 3.9 to 2.5k monthly!

Every time it drops I find yet more crappy mfa ads. Or fake search engines, aff ads, form filling crap, yahoo ads, etc.

Ban everything that does not directly sell a product or service. That way even if income does not go up, the masses will not despise adsense ads and click back everytime they find an adsense ad... Its only time! And why would you share the advertisers limited budget with a mfa (no content) site?

toldan

12:31 am on Mar 5, 2006 (gmt 0)



change the topic and you will get better ads

makes a little sense

4:04 am on Mar 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

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^^^I have content which relates to Adobe's latest releases for photographers and I already found 3 sites which are advertising FREE Photoshop via P2P download websites. It's got NOTHING to do with content. The MFAs are the ones who use mine and others quality content to attract visitors to their worthless website.

Scurramunga

4:18 am on Mar 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Listen to the good advice above- Trash all MFA's and your earnings WILL go up - at least mine did.

moTi

6:03 am on Mar 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

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hmmm.. i haven't yet blocked mfa's or sites that don't sell tangible goods to a great extent. for one thing i am too busy with programming and content providing.

my observation is, that when blocking at least the big fish (e.g. ebay affiliates), my ctr drops consistently about 30-40%(!)
that doesn't provide me more overall earnings, rather less, since epc climbs only slightly afterwards.

i am very surprised that people click so often on crap ads. of course, that is part of their success.
gives me an insight on wich kind of users actually react on ads at all: people, who are misdirected to my site and find no useful information.
if they click they seem to be absolutely inattentive and random in what they click. quality ads are mostly more specialized and therefore overall more unattractive for click-and-exit-happy users. so they click on the catchy crap that is offering anything and nothing.

roycerus

6:39 am on Mar 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

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First of all they are not crap ads - they are misleading ads and that's a big difference. You will find MANY of the ads to be pure LIES they promote through adwords just to makes user click on ads.

There was a recent post somewhere where they we talking about how internet users make instantaneous decisions - and these misleading ads just attract more attention because they promise you EXACTLY what you are looking for and all the have is one line of text with ADS to either more LIES or some actual advertisers who are selling products or services or provide valuable information.

Now if you ask me how Google can figure out what is valuable content and what is not. A simple answer to that is remove pages with one line content with Google / Yahoo ads. It is very very easy to distinguish between an MFA and a good website and Google will do well if they remove this non-sense which will surely ensure they longevity of the program and the internet content business.

maxgoldie

7:18 am on Mar 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Like I said elsewhere, what would look good on them is if visitors do use ads as a so-called 'tip jar', hopefully they will target the ads of obvious MFA crap sites, and consequently drain the budgets of these misleading MFA advertisers.

The only thing that will stop MFAs is something that will make it not profitable for them to exist.

Scurramunga

7:25 am on Mar 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

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The only thing that will stop MFAs is something that will make it not profitable for them to exist.

Yes. By legit publishers starting adwords accounts and playing MFAs at their own game.

ann

7:30 am on Mar 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Just deep-sixed another MFA ad...The leading one ....go figure.

david_uk

8:07 am on Mar 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

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IMHO the algorithm that places ads is seriously flawed. The reason MFA ads get placed on your site is because they have a good ctr elsewhere on the Google network. Therefore, in Google's limited way of looking at the world, they represent the ads most likely to be profitable on your site.

The reason MFA ads have a higher ctr has been touched on in this thread already, and it's something I have been saying for a while now. The people that write the ads are very good at writing sexy ad copy. If you see their ads in a block with 3 boring ones, theirs is the one they will click. I've tried this myself as an advertiser. When I've deliberately written copy to attract clicks, then I've got them!

The reasons I say the algo is seriously flawed is that in placing the ads, it takes no notice of historical data on YOUR site - what ads work, and what ads don't. If it did, it would realise that the ads I allow to stay are the ones that will provide the best payout - not the MFA's the adsense bot continually replaces my good payers with.

I started blocking MFA's last July, and have never looked back. I've yet to reach the ceiling of 200. I do go through the list occasionally and remove sites that no longer exist, or have been booted out.

I think Google should realise that people use the block list to correct their stupid algorithm and provide us with better tools to manage what ads we show. What I'd like to see is:-

1, the limit increased to 500 or whatever we asked them to set the limit at.

2, a screen that shows all of our block list along with an indication of if the domain is still live and if Google still serves ads to it. That way we can manage our lists a lot easier than we can now.

3, the facility to "Block all ads from this advertiser" facility just like Fastclick have.

I'd like to see the facility of a list of all ads that have been shown on our site worldwide. It's impossible to know this currently, but I guess they will never give us this.

Nitrous

8:57 am on Mar 5, 2006 (gmt 0)



Sooo - What would happen if we all went off and clicked on every mfa ad we ever came across: Not on your own sites though!

What a horrible idea!

foxtunes

9:02 am on Mar 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

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".....If it did, it would realise that the ads I allow to stay are the ones that will provide the best payout - not the MFA's the adsense bot continually replaces my good payers with....."

Great point.

Smart pricing has shifted too much over in favour of advertisers in my opinion. Google seem to be rewarding advertisers who can crank out misleading ad copy with a high ctr, while advertisers with good budgets but bland (honest) copy seem to be penalised.

danimal

8:24 pm on Mar 5, 2006 (gmt 0)



>>>First of all they are not crap ads - they are misleading ads and that's a big difference. You will find MANY of the ads to be pure LIES they promote through adwords just to makes user click on ads.<<<

EXACTLY! today i stumbled across this gem, take a look at their "terms of service" page:

"By accessing blahblah dot com, you also certify and attest that you are not affiliated with any local, state or federal law enforcement agency. If you are, you are not permitted to proceed past this page and must leave immediately."

not an mfa, but does that sound legit to you?... the problem is that the adwords people don't appear to ever check out the advertisers, so it's left up to the publishers to police the scum from adsense.