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1. a certain email of mine was banned from adsense. is it possible to recreate an account (even if that means contacting google...and, which email?) with that email?
2. i reapplied a few weeks after i got banned with another email. after my application got rejected, i tried to apply using the same email. however, it says that the account is in use. don't tell me THAT email is banned too...
said blog, had adsense ads.
now, when i refreshed my adsense stats, i noticed a 670% for that particular channel. so, i asked if he by any chanced, clicked a buncha ads. he said yes, and said that he was interested in it. obviously, i wasn't impressed.
i searched around of what to do, and i think i read someone in this forum, that i should email google. so i did, explained what happened. no reply. then, about a week later, i get banned, cited invalid clicks. day after, i finally recieved my pin#. not cool.
Right, now on with the post.
I feel that I need to speak out about a trend which is quite disappointing to watch...
It seems that every forum has a bunch of 'holier-than-thou' adsensers who have not (yet) been banned by google, and assume that everyone who has been banned is some kind of criminal.
The fact of the matter is that in most cases, YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT WHY THEY WERE BANNED.
They tell you that they are innocent, and yet you put your faith in a computer algorithm which has to make a statistical judgement (AND YES, THAT IS ALL IT IS) on whether clicks are invalid or not rather than giving any credence whatsoever to their story.
How many people do you know who have failed a credit check because some other lowlife decided to clone their credit card?
How many other people do you know who have been pulled over to the side of the road and breathalysed because they drove after being in a bar (the police didn't see that they were the designated driver)?
How many other people do you know who are stopped and searched by the police because of the colour of their skin?
How many people do we all hear about who have been wrongly convicted of crimes, even using a jury system (thank god we don't have google's algorithm replacing juries.... yet)?
All I'm saying is that it is highly unlikely that 100% of all people banned from adsense either (a) clicked on their own ads or (b) encouraged someone else to click on their ads. It is only a statistical likelihood and a cursory human check that google uses to assess click fraud - there are simply too many adsense accounts to do anything else, and they'd much rather lose someone generating $10/month off adsense, than an advertiser placing multiples of that amount with them each month. It's pure commercial common sense for them to run it that way...
If what the guy says here is true, then he did (almost) everything right by checking his stats and emailing google to say that something had gone wrong. All he'd done (according to the post) was given out a url to a post his friend had an interest in. I hope he also said that his friend should not click on any of the ads (this bit is unclear). If he said "click on the ads while you're there, they make me money" then I agree with you - he's fraudulent and deserves what has come his way...
Right - rant over.
Maybe he didn't commit fraud. He's apparently trying to now though.
But to actually post in a public forum how to go about deceiving Google so that someone can get multiple accounts is just idiotic. What are we trying to do, cut our own throats here?
And blueheaven, Google isn't a court of law (neither is Webmaster World), so Google doesn't have to prove guilt if it wants to terminate its relationship with a publisher. The AdSense contract allows either party to bail out at any time for any reason (which is why publishers who get mad at Google can write angry posts that say "Screw Google--I've switched to YPN").
For all we know, Google might decide to break off its relationship with a publisher who has invalid clicks if:
- The site's topic or audience have a greater-than-average likelihood of repeated "invalid clicks" episodes.
- The site doesn't generate enough revenue to justify the expense of investigating or correcting invalid clicks.
The fact that the Google-publisher contract is immediately cancellable by either side is something that publishers need to keep in mind when signing up for AdSense. Few business relationships last forever, as anyone who's ever relied on freelance, consulting, or other types of self-employment income can attest.
I have no reason to disbelieve his declared reason for being banned.
All I'm saying (and I'll shut up now, I've made my point), is that undoubtedly there are some people who have been banned due to statistical probability, rather than irrefutable proof.
As another poster correctly said, Google does not need any 'proof' to terminate an account - again, just common business sense.
And I also take on board that there are a lot of 'I didn't click on my ads honest, how can I get another account so that I can ask my mates to click on ads' posts...
The general tone on the forums has just seemed a little sanctimonious for a while....
Perhaps there should be a 'I got banned from adsense' subforum, and the admin can sweep all such posts into there, and they don't bother us - either one way or the other...
just because i didn't stress "legal" doesn't mean i'm looking for illegal methods. this is a public forum. that's a tad stupid.
this is how it went. friend asked for link to article, i fire it off, and i continue doing whatever i was doing at the time. and as i said, i checked my stats after a bit, and realized the big spike. i screenshot my logs (i use a free service -.-) and the adsense stats page. emailed them, telling them about that.
a week or 2 later. i get banned. i tried to appeal, firing them the screenshots and an explanation of the incident. no go. just generic google responses.
now, tell me where, did i say i wanted to illegally create an account?
i could care less if you don't believe what i say. all i'm asking, if there is a way to get an account. i have legit content on my site. the majority of the visitors to my site are from OUTSIDE my country. most people get to my site via search engine queries (msn, various google domains, etc). and you're wondering, that basically tops off what my logs can do.
Anyway the first 2 responses to your question were correct - Google won't allow you to have another account, and if it discovers you opened one using another email address or in another name, it'll ban that account as well.