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Does google let you slide if you're more valued customer?

         

StuntasticAudi

2:16 pm on Feb 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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If you're a more valued customer to google and get thousands of hits a month and ten thousands of clicks will they let you slide little more then some average joe with a site that gets 500 hits a day and just couple clicks?

sailorjwd

2:22 pm on Feb 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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What do you mean by 'let you slide'?
Which TOSs are you breaking?

hunderdown

2:41 pm on Feb 22, 2006 (gmt 0)



There has been some discussion in the past in which people have suggested that Google is more likely to warn a large site bringing in significant income, and give them a chance to make a change, but simply cancel the account of a small fish.

And I don't see anything wrong with that, if so. Google has limited staff. It may not be worth it to spend time and money checking and rechecking a $50/month site, while it may well be worth it to check and recheck a $5000/month site--if the violation is minor and can be easily fixed.

woop01

2:43 pm on Feb 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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One minor correction, as an Adsense publisher, you are not a customer, you are a supplier. The customers are the Adwords advertisers. Too many people get that relationship backward.

rkhare

2:47 pm on Feb 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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One minor correction, as an Adsense publisher, you are not a customer, you are a supplier.

true, talking in logistics terms, adsense publishers are distributors of googles products to target audince of its clients, the adword advertisors. :-)

Rodney

6:28 pm on Feb 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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If there is wiggle room, I highly doubt that it's based on the volume of traffic or clicks.

More likely it's based on the quality of traffic and clicks (if there even is any leway).

europeforvisitors

6:55 pm on Feb 22, 2006 (gmt 0)



I'd guess that the "sniff test" plays an important role in whether a site gets the benefit of the doubt during a manual review. In other words, "If it smells rotten (or looks rotten), it probably is rotten."

Paris

6:55 pm on Feb 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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And just so we're on the same page here, when you meant "thousands of hits a month and ten thousands of clicks" I'm hoping you didn't mean that a clickthrough rate of 1000% would not bring up a red flag with Google. Of course it will.

If you're asking if Google is willing to overlook a suspicious click or two in a data bank of thousands of clicks, probably more so than a suspicious click or two in a data bank of 3 clicks, but you still need to be careful.

A maliciously errant publisher isn't going to escape based on size. If a webmaster is stealing from advertisers, the bigger the webmaster = the bigger the fraud = the more the victims = the greater need for Google to act quickly to keep its integrity in place.

OptiRex

9:17 pm on Feb 22, 2006 (gmt 0)



will they let you slide little more then some average joe

What does this mean in English?

The thread seems to have taken it to mean possible T&C infringments.

Is that was is meant by the OP?

StuntasticAudi

10:45 pm on Feb 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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No i'm not doing anything against the TOS. I was just reading some topics on other website forums and it seemed like the big dogs are getting warned and have a chance to fix their site but the little guys that make $50 a month screw up and they're banned for life.

It would be nice if google warned you before they completly ban you. Yes I agree that if you dont follow the TOS then you should be banned. But lets say if someone else clicks on your adsense hundred times a day then adsense ban you for invalid clicks and you didnt do anything wrong and you're banned. From reading other forums it seems like it's very hard to get your account back once you get banned. Even if it's not your fault. Some people even prove it and google still wont allow them back, they just simply ignore your emails when you try to contact them. I've read many other adsense forums and found couple people in that situation.

I agree with a comment above that Google's staff might not bother with a small account that generated $50 a month but what if you have a large account that gets $5000 a month...that means Google gets a good cut of that too, i would hope they just put your account on freeze until you resolve the problem not just ban you.

Mr_Fern

10:53 pm on Feb 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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My gut says yes. Leniency exists everywhere based on different circumstances.

jomaxx

10:56 pm on Feb 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I don't believe there's any evidence Google do this. If I ran Google I would do so because it's simple business logic: a site that has a large quantity of genuine, high-quality traffic doesn't have much motivation to knowingly generate extra bogus clicks. However this seems to upset certain people who moan about the "little guy" getting shafted, so IMO it's better to fall back on the fact that nobody knows if Google do this or not.

MyGen

10:59 pm on Feb 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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In my experience, google do let larger 'premium' publishers slide.
I've accidentily broken a couple of rules in regards to ad labelling and positioning, not noticed for a couple of months, been paid fully for them months, e-mailed G to let them know of the problem, and had no repercussions.

I'm sure however if it was a major, major breach of the rules, for example fraudulant clicks, then something more would be done.

trader

1:45 am on Feb 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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They also let publishers do surprising things such as letting them change the javascript to target specific keywords using a 'keyword suggest' line of code. They even let some mimic the Adsense which appears on other websites with a different line of code in the javascript which uses the url of the sites you want to target to get the same ads running on your site.

Several times we asked support for permission to do the same things and we are always told no. The odd thing is they let *some* small publsihers do these things, not only premium publishers as you would think. They tell us it's only allowed for non-premium smaller clients by special invitation, and the invites are not available now.

It certainly is not fair. For example, we had a competing website (one of our strongest sales competitors) selling the same product as us who was also much smaller and lesser know but was apparently allowed to change the javascript and target specific high paying keywords, thus making more money than us on very likely less traffic vs our larger site.

My competitor was even blatantly abusing the right of using keyword suggest line of code by targeting keywords not relevant at all to his website (i.e. the word mortgage loan) which paid more ppc than his own actual product keyword did.

We wrote support about that abuse and unfair advanatge they gave them but as far as I know they did nothing as some time later we checked and he still was doing the adsense abuse of the altered code permission G apparently gave him, with the changed javascript still there and running well. Of course his ads were always much better than our ads. That really is upsetting to see that happen in the first place and nothing apparently done about it too from what we could see.

OldWolf

4:54 am on Feb 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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If Google wasnt want to waste their time on 50$/mo sites (I am one of them )they would put a line on join adsense page for example 'You need to generate more than 250,000 page views/mo for join Adsense program' like some others do.Instead telling it they just have normal publishers and premium publishers.

I apprecaite that G allowing small publishers (plus international ones ) to join.

Im never trying to break their TOS for earning more but having click attack my nightmare :(

JollyK

12:31 am on Feb 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Adsense certainly gives the appearance of letting larger-scale publishers have extra goodies AND even violate the public ToS.

What we don't know is, does Google give the larger publishers a *different* ToS just for them? If so, they're not violating the ToS necessarily just because they do things that non-high-level publishers aren't allowed to do ...

It would make sense to me that Google would offer different terms to different publishers at a certain level.

JK

Hemeno

7:43 am on Feb 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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If you had a supplier who makes 20-30k+ a month for you, would you ban them for something that can be corrected? If you do, they will only head to your competitors.

I'm sure google has to deal with hundreds of people a day who click their own ads. It would take too much time to deal with someone who makes peanuts for you.

It might not be fair, but it would be naive to think otherwise in my personal opinion.

John Carpenter

9:13 am on Feb 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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One minor correction, as an Adsense publisher, you are not a customer, you are a supplier.

Actually, publishers are customers too. We hire Google to find advertisers to advertise on our site. And we in fact pay Google for that service (commission).

jema

11:27 am on Feb 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I think some of the more stringent T&C are there to give google the excuse to weed out quickly the crap sites.
If you look at some sites like large free forum sites using adsense, you can make a sure bet that you will find minor violations of the T&C, but this is not likely to bother google, and why should it?
The T&Cs are there to stop sites that are abusing the system, if you are reasonably large and have a track record of proper usage, I do not see that google is looking for a stick to beat you with.