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6:48 pm on Feb 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Here is the news site

[betanews.com...]

I am presuming it is OK to post the url as it is a tech news site and it certainly isn't mine

7:03 pm on Feb 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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It's hard to get worked up over a glitch in an application that hasn't been released. (Unless you're using the beta version of IE7 and you're desperate to click on AdSense ads.)
7:09 pm on Feb 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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A major revenue stream for Google doesn't work in a M$ product and people call it a glitch? Yeah, right! :)
7:19 pm on Feb 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Don't you think Google will fight tooth and nails with Microsoft on this BEFORE this thing gets released? Think of the headlines -- "Evil MS Sabotaging Competitor's Product." Antitrust lawsuits, anyone?
7:24 pm on Feb 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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A major revenue stream for Google doesn't work in a M$ product and people call it a glitch? Yeah, right! :)

It isn't a "product," it's a beta.

Alika is right: Microsoft wouldn't dare pull a stunt like that on purpose, especially if it doesn't want IE to continue losing market share.

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Hmm, I wouldn't go so far as to say they wouldn't dare do it. They've done exactly this several times in the past.
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microsoft has done a lot worse than that in the past.

it's naive to think that this adsense failure in ie7 is just an accident.

8:52 pm on Feb 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Don't you think that if microsoft doesn't change ie7 so adsense works, then google will change adsense so it does work?
9:00 pm on Feb 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I don't have the source to hand (can someone help with this?) but this question has been asked and the general feeling seems to be that everything is OK - It's a beta - google has spoken to M$ - they are going to sort it out.

EDIT: Scratch that. My source (some other forum that I believe we aren't allowed to link from here) says it works for some and not for others in IE7 beta. Maybe it's a bug that will get fixed. Maybe it's a nightmare tht won't. My apologies for my misinformation. Let's hope M$ don't block G$ or else we'll be out of a job really quick.

[edited by: vordmeister at 9:13 pm (utc) on Feb. 8, 2006]

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It sounds perfectly logical to me that MS wants to sabotage G's main source of income, especially since MS is developing their own contextual advertising system. How convenient for MS if Google has to change their AS code in order for it to work again on IE7, if at that very same time MS will introduce their system. How many Adsense advertisers will decide to shift to MS instead of redoing all their pages? And remember how G has damaged many of us (on purpose or not) by just making minor algo updates. Imagine the chaos when they have to redo their entire Adsense code. Besides, didn't G try to sabotage MS by promoting Firefox? This scares me, and I hope it's just me being paranoid. However, G has been good to me and I will stay with them for as long as they pay me good money for my site. MS has to come up with more than sabotage for me to shift to the other side...
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then google will change adsense so it does work?

I think Google's fix should be to detect IE7 and display "You're using broken software. Click here to download Firfox, a REAL browser!"
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Recite slowly: "It's only a beta....It's only a beta....It's only a beta." :-)

I can remember when the Windows 95 beta didn't work with some of my software and hardware, but nobody suggested Microsoft was trying to put the manufacturers of those products out of business!

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It's only a beta

EFV,
And many people would claim Win95 didn't make it out of beta until they started calling it WinXP. ;)
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EFV wrote:
Recite slowly: "It's only a beta..."

Recite this a few times after a healthy dose of wine and it ends up as "It's sunny in Ibiza" :-)

Being in beta doesn't mean per se that it won't appear in the final "product". In fact, if they delay releasing that final product then IE7beta may pervade the world anyway, albeit slowly, and become a de facto product. That is a genuine concern.

However, against this is the fact that Google would surely sue for loss of income. And even the mighty Microsoft wouldn't want to enter that billion-dollar battle (would they?)

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Recite this a few times after a healthy dose of wine and it ends up as "It's sunny in Ibiza" :-)

LOL. That sounds like a more appealing topic than a browser beta (techno as opposed to tech). :-)

Being in beta doesn't mean per se that it won't appear in the final "product". In fact, if they delay releasing that final product then IE7beta may pervade the world anyway, albeit slowly, and become a de facto product. That is a genuine concern.

Isn't IE 7 scheduled to be released with Windows Vista, not before or after?

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EFV wrote:
Isn't IE 7 scheduled to be released with Windows Vista, not before or after?

Er... dunno. I had thought IE7 "product" launch was due to coincide with a Vista "beta" launch. I didn't realise that they were both due to be launched as products at the same time. Perhaps that is the case now, but at some point in the past they had intended to launch them at different times.

The problem with IE7 is that it is downloadable now. And, as I understand it, once installed you can't easily go back to IE6. Therefore, if MS do nothing, gradually more and more people may download IE7 beta if they get to hear about its' features and like them.

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As EFV says it is only a Beta, and one we should not even be worried about as even if the same problem were in the finished IE7, Google would have a lot more to worry about than us publishers individually.

Let's worry about it when it comes out of Beta, unless they suddenly decide to make it a Critical Update on all XP machines before then!

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This isn't the 1980s or the 1990s. The courts have nearly caught up with IT. If Microsoft tried this in a full product then the European Union and the US courts would bring them to their knees. Those of you who hate Microsoft should pray that they try and put Google out of business with unfair tactics - it would spell the end of them as a corporation.

Google are a cash rich company, they are not Netscape, and can pay billions for lawyers if they have to.

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Visit Thailand wrote:
As EFV says it is only a Beta

I'd like to clarify my previous point, because use of the label "beta" may be misleading.

It is more accurate, perhaps, to think of IE7 as not strictly being a beta. Use of a strict beta would imply use of the software is limited to a subset of users who are testing it, and it wouldn't be available to the general public.

However, IE7 is downloadable now to anyone who cares to do a search in Google(!), or go to the Microsoft website. IOW it is already a "product" to some degree. The beta label doesn't stop people using it, it simply warns them that there may be some bugs, and requires them to choose to install it rather than being an automatic update.

I would hope that Google aren't sitting back saying "it's only a beta". At the very least they should be sending shots across MS bows to make sure that the problem is corrected pdq.

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21_blue - I hear you and understand. But I wonder how many 'general' users out there really are going to download it.

Perhaps a few advanced users, webmasters but the majority of the general public I very much doubt it.

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Visit Thailand wrote:
I wonder how many 'general' users out there really are going to download it

I agree with the point you are making: initially there will be very few.

This is why my previous comments were prefaced with "If MS do nothing, gradually...". It will be a "snowball" effect (if you are in Thailand, I hope you understand that idiom!). Change will be slow at first, but ultimately it will build up momentum. However, until it becomes 'official' it is not going to be the primary browser (eg: corporates won't usually install software until it is both official and has been fully tested by their own IT dept). But any percentage of the market it gains is potentially Adsense income lost.

Having said all that, FWIW I've installed IE7. On the first display of a page with Adsense, IE crashed. After restarting IE, it displayed the page with no problem, including the Adsense ads. However, this doesn't mean it will work with all users and/or sites. Our site is simple html - perhaps Adsense doesn't display on more complicated sites.

It might be useful for publishers to download IE7 [microsoft.com] and test it on their sites.

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If Norton Internet Security can do it, why wouldn't MS give it a shot 'in the name of security'?
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A couple of hours ago, the Deutsche Bahn site crashed in IE 6.x when I was researching a train connection from Dortmund to Hamburg.

Is Microsoft trying to put the Deutsche Bahn out of business? Or could it be a glitch? Naah....Impossible. Everyone knows Microsoft never has errors in its software. :-)

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i've been testing ie7 beta 2 the last days. not only as a fan of internet explorer (yes i am!) i must say, this looks like a nice tabbed browser, better usability than firefox.
but it still has some bugs that interfere with my working requirements, so i uninstalled it and got back to ie6. it did properly display adsense without crashing. however, i didn't click on ads to test the linking, so i can't tell that it actually works (norton also displays ads, but when you click on them, nothing will happen). so, if someone has downloaded ie7 beta 2, could you please test and report?

And, as I understand it, once installed you can't easily go back to IE6.

not true. click start > control panel > add or remove programs > check box "show updates" > scroll to "windows xp updates" > select "internet explorer 7 beta 2 preview" > click change/remove

by the way, the link in the original post is broke.

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Use of a strict beta would imply use of the software is limited to a subset of users who are testing it, and it wouldn't be available to the general public.

Actually, what you are referring to is the difference between open (public) beta and closed beta. The term "beta" itself only denotes a development phase (i.e. alpha, beta, release candidate, final).

It does not matter whether it's public or not. A beta version is always expected to contain major bugs.

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Thanks moTi and John for the extra information/clarification.

FWIW I'll stick to using IE7 as it doesn't seem to have crashed other than opening an Adsense page for the first time, and it has one extra feature that I like (when you open a desktop IE shortcut, it doesn't overwrite what's in your current window).