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robot7

12:03 pm on Dec 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hi,

I found myself in a strange situation. Last month G sales was times bigger then previous. The site is travel and vacation related so I didn't see any catch as many are looking for vacation rentals and hotels and so on. But when it came to send a check G disable an account for famous 'invalid clicks'.

I didn't do anything against AdSense TOS of course. But the only strange thing is all the clicks (with CTR 70-90%) was everyday in the morning (0900-1100 CET). Then it calmed down afternoon.

We put ads from other account to the same sites later. And the situation with supermega CTR seems to go on. And it didn't happened with AdBright or Bidvertiser.

What the hell can it be? Competitor's bad behavior? Some stupid bots?

Gian04

12:41 pm on Dec 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>> Competitor's bad behavior? Some stupid bots?

Well the usual alibi...

lammert

1:09 pm on Dec 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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We put ads from other account to the same sites later.

I would strongly advice to remove the ads from that account from your website. The AdSense team is known for sending two types of emails. The first one is the "invalid clicks" email. The second one is the "Your account has been found to be related with a previously disabled account" email. If you continue to use the other account on the suspicious site, you should expect this second email within days.

robot7

1:15 pm on Dec 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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thank you. but how to avoid the situations like i described? are there any ways?

Gian04

1:18 pm on Dec 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Don't click on your own ads. Thats it.

robot7

1:38 pm on Dec 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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If you continue to use the other account on the suspicious site, you should expect this second email within days.

Ok. Thank you for advice. But I only quess that it was the problem. And I had a lot of sites under this account. Should remove this new acc. from all of them? What do you think?

WallyWorld

6:39 pm on Dec 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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If you see an unusual large surge in clicks email AdSense and tell them you suspect there may be someone fraudulently clicking some of your ads and why.

That happened to me last summer. G asked some questions then deducted about $500 of the fraudulent clicks from my check and said everything was fine now and assured me that my account was in good standing.

hunderdown

7:12 pm on Dec 12, 2005 (gmt 0)



See other recent threads on this topic. (such as this on: [webmasterworld.com...] ) MANY things other than simply clicking your own ads can lead to an "invalid clicks" email.

If you have carefully reread the AdSense TOS AND carefully reinspected the site in question (try to go beyond the obvious. We all know that "click the ads" is a no-no. But what if your nice high CTR was being caused by a layout that led a visitor to believe that more information would be found only by clicking the ads, not by going elsewhere in your site? What if there was no way to go elsewhere in your site? AND so on.), and after doing both those things can genuinely say there's nothing you've done that is wrong, then email Google and appeal.

jchampliaud

8:09 pm on Dec 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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If you see an unusual large surge in clicks email AdSense and tell them you suspect there may be someone fraudulently clicking some of your ads and why.

I'd also offer your server logs.

robot7

8:30 pm on Dec 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Thank you for advice. I will try to send the logs.

I write them about 3 days ago (when it happened). But still no answer.

jchampliaud

12:01 am on Dec 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I write them about 3 days ago (when it happened). But still no answer.

Give it time. I'd start digging for that 'I got reinstated' thread. It's here somewhere. Maybe in the library.

hyperkik

1:55 am on Dec 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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This happened every day at the same time? You aren't buying traffic from a dubious source, are you?

birdstuff

3:59 am on Dec 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The 70% - 90% CTR probably rasied a huge red flag. A CTR that high simply cannot be viewed as natural under even the most ideal circumstances.

humblebeginnings

8:20 am on Dec 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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So as of what level of CTR the red flag is raised?
Although 70% is unusually high, it just could mean that the OP is very good in writing ad-copy. And that is exactly what Google wants.

Gian04; many of the forum members are professionals who make hundreds or maybe thousands of dollars a day with Adsense (and others programs). These kind of people do not click their own ads.

robot7

9:22 am on Dec 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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This happened every day at the same time?

Yes. Exactly. And now I think it was some kind of robots (not mine).

But previously I had an idea like this: I can imagine some guy in any office clicking every 'hotels' ad while finishing his morning coffee. He just want to know the best offer and go somewhere on holiday. But imagine how many of these guys.

And: right after G disabled account I put up AdBright block... no clicks at all (well, 2 clicks). And AdBright ads was irrelevant. So robots clicks only on relevant links :)

Very discouraging story actually.

You aren't buying traffic from a dubious source, are you?
I have no sense in buying traffic. And I didn't.

aeiouy

1:26 pm on Dec 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Although 70% is unusually high, it just could mean that the OP is very good in writing ad-copy. And that is exactly what Google wants.

The best ad copy writer in the history of the universe could not get 70% click-through. Anyways he is talking about adsense, not adwords. So why would his copywriting abilities impact his CTR? The lack of copywriting abilities would lead to a higher click rate.

Anyways, he said he saw this high rates in the morning. Likely more to do with clicks often updating before impressions. So he was only seeing half the stats. He did not say specifically that he was getting 70%-90% CTR at the end of the day. If he was, then he was clearly doing something against the TOS. It is not POSSIBLE to have a legitimate content site and see CTR that high. Heck it is not possible to have a legitimate content site with a CTR half of that.

robot7

4:28 pm on Dec 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yes. This CTR was for one or two hours in the morning. And at the end of the day average stats melted to normal 0.5-4%. So maybe G stats were wrong then? Never knew it could.

netmeg

4:33 pm on Dec 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'd take a close look at the server log files.

hunderdown

4:33 pm on Dec 13, 2005 (gmt 0)



Not wrong, but you were seeing (possibly) clicks from the previous day and impressions from the current day, which made your CTR look very high.

I don't think it was the early-morning CTR that caused your problem....

humblebeginnings

4:59 pm on Dec 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>The best ad copy writer in the history of the >universe could not get 70% click-through.

I have some pages with 70% CTR.
And I am not so good in writing ads at all!

>Anyways he is talking about adsense, not adwords.

I know he is talking about his Adsense CTR,
but technically, a high Adsense CTR can be caused by writing good ad-copy in Adwords.