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Google is now giving away Urchin. They'll track your stats for free

all your figures are belong to us...

     
9:15 am on Nov 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Google Analytics [webmasterworld.com]: Put the javascript code on your pages and Google will give you a stats analysis that people are now paying hundreds/thousands for. And they'll charge you zilch.

Who wants to be the first turkey? :)

It's good that it's free but is this giving Google a bit too much of information? Is the giveaway purely out of the goodness of their heart... or do they have something very valuable to gain in return?

Does having Adsense on the site (with smartpricing) impact on your decision?

1:49 am on Nov 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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...and just maybe all the others who are aiding and abetting them

LOL. I'm checking my inbox for subpoenas now.
2:05 am on Nov 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Sorry, but I think you got this wrong. Like I said, I am entitled to be able to track visitors on MY web page. You are not entitled to hide yourself and disallow me from doing so.

Not tracking me, nope, not gonna happen. Java script disabled no Google tracking. Third party cookies disabled most other third party tracking disabled.

If you want to see where I go on your site you will have to read your log files.

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2:38 am on Nov 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I am not trying to put forth a conspiracy theory or even say that websites do not have the right to track visitors on THEIR OWN sites. I am saying there may be a fine legal line which will be shredded if the information is then stored in a central database for only one company to use AS IT SEES FIT. Does not matter if it is Google or me or even you.

All I am saying is at least go in with your eyes open to the possibilities, not closed and blindly grabbing for the 'free stuff'.

Okay go ahead and blast me.

Better yet, read this:
[mccordweb.com...]

If this URL gets deleted you will find it on Google news ww thread.

4:23 am on Nov 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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what happens if google discovers that the average visitor to your pages only stay for 25 seconds, and then they use this data to integrate into their search algorithm. so, instead of being first for a particular search term you drop down to second, because your competitors pages are more sticky.

Then we'll see:

1. "Sticky exchanges" where someone will visit your site and hang around for an hour or so in return for you doing the same

2. Software to make it appear someone is staying on your site for long periods of time

3. Whatever other "Buy this product and rocket to the top in search engine rankings" schemes people can develop

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6:03 am on Nov 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Stats are UP now for me, but it seemns they had a problem yesterday.
For 14.10.2005 they report a normal traffic, but for 15.10.2005 that was my record traffic ever Google reports fewer visits than 14.10.2005...
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All I am saying is at least go in with your eyes open to the possibilities, not closed and blindly grabbing for the 'free stuff'.

Confucius say: When you share bed with elephant always keep one eye open in case he roll over.

Free is not necessarily bad but we seem to have come to an age when people see "free" and assume it is.

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Mentat wrote:
>For 14.10.2005 they report a normal traffic, but for 15.10.2005 that was my record traffic
>ever Google reports fewer visits than 14.10.2005...

You can get the same problem with some log file analyses. It's because the 'stats run' is not real time, and was run part way through the day. If that's the case, your stats for that day will change (upwards) in the next update.

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still no stats for me, 2 days now. I'm hoping they'll come up soon, i've never seen urchin, so I'm very interested in how it compares to webtrends and statcounter.
3:54 pm on Nov 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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How often does Google Analytics update?

Once a day? or more often.

Thank you.

3:59 pm on Nov 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have learned from Urchin support forum(Google Group) that it is taking on an average 48 Hours to see the first reports.
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Not tracking me, nope, not gonna happen. Java script disabled no Google tracking. Third party cookies disabled most other third party tracking disabled.

If you want to see where I go on your site you will have to read your log files.

We will see what happens when the day comes when you can't use any websites because of such things.. Then what will you do?

Again you don't have the right to hide your behavior on my site. Obviously it is not an issue now because not enough people do what you do. If they did, though, it would become a problem for you. Because sites would stop allowing access to those who don't participate.

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Wrong answer. No site is going to ban users for such a trivial reason. Some sites will be unusable if you don't have JS enabled or disallow cookies, but that's due to poor site design and unrelated to stat tracking.

The real point is that, as Conard admits, most of the same user information is clearly available in any site's log files anyway. Even if you go to the trouble of using an anonymizer service, the site owner can still see you enter the site and follow you around from page to page.

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Again you don't have the right to hide your behavior on my site. Obviously it is not an issue now because not enough people do what you do. If they did, though, it would become a problem for you. Because sites would stop allowing access to those who don't participate.

I do have the right to block Java script, Flash, Active X, cookies and any number of other things I don't want to be exposed to while surfing the web.
If your site doesn't work because of this there are 100 competitors sites that will and they are a couple of clicks away.
Privacy and security on the Internet and how I handle it are up to me and not a web site designer.
Plain old log files and a good program to read them have been around since day one and all of the grown up webmasters use them everyday.

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10:24 pm on Nov 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Finally getting stats today. Very cool, especially the geo-locating map overlay with your visitors on it. Who knew I was that big in Beijing! :-)
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I was hoping for a window that showed referal pages and the page on the site they link to.

Is it in that pile of stats somewhere? Ic an't see it. I never realised how much could be gathered. Its certinaly deeper than Awstats.

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I do have the right to block Java script, Flash, Active X, cookies and any number of other things I don't want to be exposed to while surfing the web.
If your site doesn't work because of this there are 100 competitors sites that will and they are a couple of clicks away.
Privacy and security on the Internet and how I handle it are up to me and not a web site designer.
Plain old log files and a good program to read them have been around since day one and all of the grown up webmasters use them everyday.

It goes beyond weblogs though.. It goes to advertising as well. Many advertising programs rely on javascript to deliver ads. Perhaps you feel like you are entitled to a free lunch and an anonymous ride, but you are real not. You enjoy it now, because people can afford to let you do it. If things change, and they potentially will down the road, then you will see your expectations not to match up with reality.

Enjoy it now, but don't think you are entitled nor owed those things, because you are not.

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I am also very happy to use this new service. Worst case scenario - ill just remove the script.

However, I added the codes but when I click to confirm, google says it cannot locate the script on my homepage. Anyone else seeing this?

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However, I added the codes but when I click to confirm, google says it cannot locate the script on my homepage. Anyone else seeing this?

I have this message as well but was told that the script on my site was verified or something like that 24 hours later.

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However, I added the codes but when I click to confirm, google says it cannot locate the script on my homepage. Anyone else seeing this?

I had the same problem. After several tries I gave up and removed the script.

/edit/ wrong quote

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They're just really slow on everything, seeing the script for the first time, getting stats. I added two websites this morning and just now my page is saying they found the scripts. Could be 48 hours before you see stats. I think they're overwhelmed...
2:54 pm on Nov 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I think that my account was suspended :)
1 000 000 views/day was too much for they :(
Din not get any e-mail from them, but after login I'm redirected to www.google.com! :@
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I am also getting redirected to Google.com, only 4000 vistors a day , I MUST SAY THIS IS VERY UNPROFFESIONAL, CAN'T BELIEVE G IS HAVING THIS KIND OF PROBLEMS :-(
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Over in Google news, amandus had a solution to the redirect problem. After logging in and being redirected, then type [google.com...] into the address bar to go to your report. It works, although it is annoying to have to do this.
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It has been over 48 hours and no stats yet. Still waiting for data. Not impressed, I would rather like to buy a license for my server to run and update on the hour.
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My account still says "Waiting for data" but reports are in fact available. Perhaps it's worth checking your reports? Perhaps you already have.
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I've got the follwing message in my account:

"Analytics has been successfully installed and data is being gathered now. Your first reports will be ready within twelve hours."

But it is over 24 hours now and the report still didn't show up.

2:03 pm on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have reports for the 15th, 16th, 17th but it still says:
"Analytics has been successfully installed and data is being gathered now. Your first reports will be ready within twelve hours."

So I guess what I'm saying is... (if you haven't already) actually follow the link to view reports and you might be surprised.

4:11 pm on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yes but, Site Overlay report is not present!
[google.com...]
4:50 pm on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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84 hours and no data

" Waiting for Data
Analytics has been successfully installed and data is being gathered now. Your first reports will be ready within twelve hours."

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Heh, I got reports for Wednesday and Friday, but no Thursday!

There must be teething problems.

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