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My interesting Adsense situation.

I need a fact and an opinion...

         

Perfection

8:28 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have an interesting situation here.

I have this informational site about "widgeting." It discusses how to widget correctly, the best widgeting methods from my own first hand knowledge of widgeting, etc. It basically explains the ins and outs of widgeting.

In a few cases though, there are articles about specific widgets that can be used for widgeting. For example, the blue widget. I then spend an entire article saying why blue widgets are absolutely useless. I go into detail explaining why blue widgets are a waste of money and that anyone who buys or uses a blue widget is well, stupid.

The problem here is, right after doing everything in my power to convince people to avoid blue widgets at all costs, there's an ad unit showing ads for blue widgets.

"Buy blue widgets! They are great! Blue widgets are the best widgets in the world!"

Now, first and foremost, is what I am describing in any way a violation of the Adsense TOS? Basically I'm badmouthing the same widgets that are being advertised in the same article. I can't really see how it could be, but then again, who knows.

Second, the CTR interestingly isn't that bad. I think it's because these specific widget pages are high on my site's entry page list (via search engines). So, I think some people are reading the whole article and now know to avoid blue widgets, while some people just skip the article and go straight for the blue widget ads.

Or maybe people are reading the article and are still curious about blue widgets. Who knows...

Either way, the information on the blue widget page is still doing it's intended job (I get a TON of "thank you" emails about it), while the ads are doing their job as well (bringing in revenue).

So, as long as it's not a TOS violation, what are your opinions on leaving these ads as they currently are?

atypeofmagic

8:42 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It's the kind of situation that newspapers face every day. For example, a newspaper might support a particular political party in its editorial stance, but that won't prevent it from accepting ads from other parties.

It's called separation of editorial and advertising.

If the ads work, keep them.

hunderdown

8:47 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)



It's not a TOS violation. It IS an ethical question, I suppose. What you do about it depends on how much it bothers you--after all, you've given people the tools they need. If they DO buy a blue widget, could it damage their health or threaten their life? Or are the consequences less drastic?

You could turn it into an article in which you told people why they should buy red widgets instead of blue widgets. You would then probably get both red and blue widget ads. Would that be better?

I have a similar problem on a page where I warn people away from companies in a particular business area who don't do the job they say they do, and explain how to find the reputable businesses. Of course, the sleazy businesses all advertise, and their ads appear on that page if I don't block them. So far, I've limited myself to blocking the ones that I KNOW go far over the line of acceptability. The marginal ones I leave alone.

ken_b

8:51 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Many people say that review pages work great for Adsense, and that's what you have, a review page.

Ok, it's apparently a negative review, maybe a positive review page would work even better. I can't imagine that a click from a negative page is going to convert very well for the merchant, but who knows.

As long as the page is with-in the TOS I don't see a problem.

Sweet Cognac

8:56 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Interesting situation Perfection, and it reminds me of a page that I made several years ago on "avoiding credit card debt." You guessed it, the ads were about, "Get your credit card now!"

I came to the conclusion that even though I tell everyone how terrible credit card are, and that they will put you in debt, people don't listen, they want a credit card anyway.

What you have done is given a personal review on "blue widgets, and why people shouldn't buy one." I suspect they may be clicking out of curiosity, but if the blue widget website convinces them otherwise, that they are the best, then they learn their lesson later, and say, "Why didn't I listen?"

People don't listen.

MediaSpree

8:57 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Also, while I am sure you are respected in the field of widgeting, whos to say your thoughts on blue widgets are absolute. I would prefer to read both the bad about blue widgets and the good before I make my own decisions. Your ads would help me do that. Thank You!

Lipik

9:04 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It's on the advertisers to block your site if they think clicks on their ads are not good.

Perfection

9:10 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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atypeofmagic, good point.

hunderdown, buying blue widgets will not cause anything negative to its buyer other than the realization after a certain amount of time that they should have saved their money.

ken_b, I actually never really thought of this page as a "review." It was written more as facts about why blue widgets are bad. But, now that you mention a review, yeah... it could sorta be seen that way.

Sweet Cognac, you're right. I agree 100%.

MediaSpree, you bring up a good point. The thing is though, this article is a little more fact than opinion. I never really considered it to be a review, I always saw it more as a "things they don't tell you about blue widgets because it would make you not want to buy them" article. Technically though, all of it can still be seen as just opinion, which I guess gives the ads a purpose.

Lipik, good point as well.

I think I'm going to stick with them. The only negative now seems to be that I look a little silly saying not to buy something and than showing an ad for it. But, the information is still helping people, and the ads are still making money. This may be worth looking a little silly for.

Oh, and thanks for all the replies, by the way.

Heartlander

10:01 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I had the same exact thing happen!
Wrote an article about salmon fishing, and started getting ads telling about the dangers of eating salmon...LOL

I took it in stride- and let it ride.

Frequent

10:10 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Perhaps on that page you could switch to an adlinks unit instead of an ad unit? That would present your readers with related topics instead of a specific product ad.

Freq---

miki99

2:26 am on Nov 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I had an interesting situation too some time back. I have a website for my fantasy artwork, and also write articles on fairy lore. I had an article on "The Wild Hunt," a mythological phenomenon that was once widespread across Europe, varying in details from place to place, but basically involving some kind of ghosts or fairies on horseback, chasing some elusive prey across the fields or skies.

I added some Google ads to that page, and a few days later was horrified to discover a panoply of ads for big game hunting!

I did not think the kind of people who visit my site would be too interested in these, so I removed all the Google ads from that page.

Miki

novice

2:57 am on Nov 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I also had a similar situation. I wrote an article on being environmentally reponsible. Part of the article was about using paper bags for trash instead of plastic ones. Needless to say, all the ads were for heavy duty plastic trash bags :)

Even after editing I continued to get those ads. I removed AdSense from that page.

roycerus

3:31 am on Nov 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I think the only solution is if Google allows us negative keywords for ad blocks. Perhaps a section where we can tell the system that THIS article/page has THIS negative keyword.

jhood

5:30 am on Nov 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have thousands of pages decrying all kinds of widgets and widget-related services. Nearly all are negative or at the very best neutral. They are filled with ads for widgets and widget services as well as ads for lawyers offering to sue the widget makers, competitors offering even worse widgets, etc., etc.

Advertising has no relation to editorial content. It's the #1 rule of publishing. It would be wrong to block ads for widgets I think are useless just as it would be wrong to block ads for those wanting to expose the frailities of widgets.

We make information available to our readers. What they do with it is their responsibility.

danny

7:17 am on Nov 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm always surprised at the number of people who buy books I've totally panned (and I know they've just read my review, since I get the direct link bonus at Amazon for the orders).

jetteroheller

7:47 am on Nov 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I just wanted to suggest a

<meta name="anti" content="blue widgets">

to solve the situation. It happens also to me that I write something what is not good about "blue widgets" but there are ads about "blue widgets"