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2:52 pm on Dec 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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2:54 pm on Dec 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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This is AWESOME :) :) :) :)
4:01 pm on Dec 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Just wanted to say WOW!
Nice find lazerzubb!
Welcome to Bangalore .. Google!

Do they have any marketing operations also in Bangalore office or just tech and research departments over here.

Being an ideas and strategies person myself, would obviusoly want to join G here in Bangalore! ;)

Cheers

8:50 pm on Dec 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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WOW, Great News!

IdeaVirus, its a engineering facility ...India is a small online market so its not feasible to have a Sales Team there ...


Google is opening an office in Bangalore, India - our first full engineering facility outside the United States. The office will operate in an identical manner to our other engineering groups, with the same scope of work, hiring standards and unique Google culture.

[edited by: gopi at 8:57 pm (utc) on Dec. 11, 2003]

8:55 pm on Dec 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Good news for those in India, congrats. Google will find some great hires there I am sure. If you guys get a job for google let me know ;)
9:45 pm on Dec 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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If you guys get a job for google let me know

Shhhhh ;)

9:51 pm on Dec 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I was wondering what was up with the reaction to this until I realized we have a bunch of Indian webmasters here. Stuff like this is met with a little different reaction depnding on which side of the Pacific you're on.
10:24 pm on Dec 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>> I was wondering what was up with the reaction to this until I realized we have a bunch of Indian webmasters here. Stuff like this is met with a little different reaction depnding on which side of the Pacific you're on.

True ... i am happy even though i am in the right side of the pacific because i am originally from india :)

But nevertheless its an important news because its not one of the multiple sales offices which google have in many countries ...its the ONLY product development centre other than the main US Office!

10:52 pm on Dec 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Our goal is to conceive, research, implement and deploy the next generation search engine

Might that be the hidden gem in this? Something else to chat about for the next couple of years while it's in devleopment, kind of like MS & the very long awaited Longhorn.

The language leaves all doors open.

11:18 pm on Dec 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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But nevertheless its an important news because its not one of the multiple sales offices which google have in many countries ...its the ONLY product development centre other than the main US Office!

I agree. I guess I should have figured it was only a matter of time before Google started moving to India too.

As an Indian-American (I'm assuming from your post) what is it about Indian culture that has helped India to become such a big player in the tech industry? That's always intrigued me because we're talking about jobs that require skill, not the old sweat-shop/no-skill stuff the U.S. has exported in the past.

11:30 pm on Dec 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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1. (Relatively) low wages.
2. (In general) More value placed on edukashun by Indian people and so more skilled.

Both count for a lot - the former more and more. Here in the UK, we are even farming out our call centre business on a big scale - lots of people here have lost their jobs.
Why India? Very cheap labour and Indian people speak better English than some English people (or some English people who are prepared to do that job).

1:28 am on Dec 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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What is it about Indian culture that has helped India to become such a big player in the tech industry?

Education plays a very important role in indian culture , most of the middle class kids goes to college (possible by low cost college education) and the smart ones goes to engineering schools ...

I will say Chinese culture has the same traits and they also have smart/hardworking people , but unfortunately they dont speak english :) ...

Another important reason is the trend of Globalisation and advancements in Communicaton technologies (Internet/ VoIP)...

IMO slowly China and India are becoming the Factory and BackOffice of the world respectively!

Indian people speak better English than some English people

I dont agree that ... English is just a second language to most english speaking indians so its sure not better than UK or US people ...

3:37 am on Dec 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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so more skilled.

I would have to disagree there, the skill is there, but the main reason is price. I just don't think one can argue for more skill. In addition, the US gets their fair share of scientists/Phds from there so there is a syphoning effect going on also.

3:53 am on Dec 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The Indian imigrants I've met here in the states speak English exceptionally well. I wouldn't say they have a better command of the language than UK or US folks, but they are quite proficient. Their accent though makes it a bit hard at times to understand their words. It's kinda like the Brits sometimes. :)

Why does anyone go into India or China - very cheap labor who produces excellent quality.

3:57 am on Dec 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I would be happy, if a reverse brain-drain back to india happens :) That would be awesome.
8:55 am on Dec 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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loanuniverse, I would have to disagree about the price - if I am correct (at least I was once!), many programmers in the UK are Asian. I don't believe they receive a lesser salary here than their British counterparts, but they are more highly skilled. I went on computer courses at a local college in 1999, and they were still using Windows 3.1 on old Amstrad computers. We spent more time watching the systems crash than doing any work!
Regarding English speaking voices, it is useful to have a universally understood dialect, and as far as I know, a standard English speaking voice is still considered quite important in the UK.
9:41 am on Dec 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Where do I apply? Where do I apply?

Not that I have a PHD or I know C from C++. I just want some Google pre-IPO shares. ;)

1:08 pm on Dec 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>so more skilled

India publishes newspapers in 87 different languages. 58 different languages are taught at schools.

2:17 pm on Dec 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Miop:

The price differential that I mentioned was between an Engineer in the US and one based in India {not based on ethnicity within the same market}. That is the reason why Google is opening a facility there. It could be argued that when it comes to technology skills, the pool available in the US is unmatched anywhere else in the world, the problem is that people demand higher compensation here than in India, Russia or many other places.

Nevertheless, now that I think about it.... I am pretty sure there would be a price differential between Indian born scientists and US born scientists based in the US {even after accounting for other factors such as length of time in the industry, length of time in the company, etc.} Just like there is a price differential between men and women. That is just the way things have worked out to be. However, further discussion will be clearly off-topic.

I don't believe they receive a lesser salary here than their British counterparts, but they are more highly skilled.

Take into account that those moving to the EU or the US are usually some of their best. However, native guys run anywhere from the best, to the good, to the really bad.
5:42 pm on Dec 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Take into account that those moving to the EU or the US are usually some of their best. However, native guys run anywhere from the best, to the good, to the really bad.

This is true of employees and companies in all countries, you have all kind of employees. Not all are equally gifted, some are really good and some are below average.

I'm from India and I have seen likes of IBM global, Hewlett Packard, Adobe, Intel and Oracle trying very hard to attract "native guys" from local Indian software companies and not all of these companies are looking for cheap labor to work 14-16 hours a day.

6:05 pm on Dec 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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There is also an attitude difference that I noted - the Indian people interviewed considered call centre work to be prestigious as they were the front for the company, whereas many people in the UK consider it work of a last resort and of low value.
Choice - employ indigenous people with a bad attitude for twice the price or...
7:29 pm on Dec 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It seems Krishna Bharat , Principal Google Scientist and the guy behind Google News is moving to Bangalore to help setting up the Development facility ...

[timesofindia.indiatimes.com...]

2:45 am on Dec 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Sometimes I have to wonder about political correctness. It really does get in the way of conversations about topics that are important. On the other hand, I can understand why it is needed, which is mostly because people might missinterpret other people's opinions or at worst correctly interpret them. For example, I mentioned a couple of opinions in this thread:

1) That the price for engineers in India is cheaper than in the US. Somehow I believe this was understood as me saying that Hindu Engineers are cheaper than native engineers whithin the same market. The fact is that it is much cheaper over there.

and

2) I said that those Engineers moving overseas from India are probably among their best. I get the impression that this was understood by some as me saying that the ones behind are not good. I did use the word "some". The fact is that there is brain drain.

6:11 am on Dec 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I always get the feeling that the 'best' Indian programmers are often simply ones who got a chance to train and found a job. There may be a brain drain from India, but I bet there is also a huge untapped pool of talent there due to lack of opportunity.
Correct me if wrong!
Here, everyone has an equal chance of education and opportunity, yet we still have a shortage.
10:24 am on Dec 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I know it had to come, there are more programmers in India than there are in USA, AFAIK, nice to know Krishna Bharat is moving to Bharat :)

lets see who's the first "IndianGoogleGuy" at WebmasterWorld :)

Sid

2:19 am on Jan 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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:-) IndianGoogleGuy is a nice name. Wonder if it's still available or taken by someone already.
 

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