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havok2004

7:30 am on Nov 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Ok well, im officially frustrated now. Ive been running adwords since march now, and i cant say i havent made anything, because i have.. Some thousands or so.. Anyway, in the last few months there has been a trend that is unbelievable frustrating to me. I started a great ad from clickbank at like 11:00 one night, woke up, had 3 sales, went to bed, had 5. Then after the second or third day, they just dwindled to nothing although CPC and CTR had gone up. Now this is the trend i experience constantly. A recent campaign i started got me 2 saled out of 79 clicks the first day, then 3 out of 94 the second day. Suddenly day 3 was 0:379, day 4 5 6 nearly the same. Same with numerous other campaigns. Now, Can anyone please help me, is someone stealing my commissions or what. Ive thought of everything i can, i dont know what to do anymore.

patient2all

7:40 am on Nov 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hard to say what is happening to you without careful analysis. I've noticed the same sort of trends though not as drastic in my campaigns in general. Scumware is rampant especially in the larger affiliate networks.

Read up on clickbank tos, lots of odd rules about how sales have to come from varied geographic regions, etc. They debit your account in months you have no sales, I also read.

A private forum that I trust gives clickbank a general thumbs down.

Diversify and try independent programs. They are less likely to be infected by stealware because they stealware has to incorporate different code to steal from each one, unlike linkshare, befree where the referral link is consistent for all merchants.

share a sale has the most integrity of the affiliate networks, however they tend not to attract the most popular merchants. Still you can find niches there and that's what we are all looking for.

patient2all

havok2004

8:08 am on Nov 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Patient,

Thank you for your response....Yes the clickbank campaign i had that i swear was pure gold was most dissapointing, but some of it certainly had to do with my keywords getting shut down even with 2.0 ctr, which i do understand, although i dont agree with. But a lot of my campaigns i am referring to are from independant sources, not from the major networks like cj, linkshare and befree.
Still i see the same trend...I just wonder if i have bad luck, or the sites have problems, or theft...

Thanks for your reply!

just1dave

5:12 pm on Nov 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Exact same thing here, for about a week increadable amount of sales, enough to make me decide to have an unlimited budget and then BAM one day, almost no sales, next day same and so on till I ran out of advertising revenue. It went from a sure thing, we found out how to make alot of money to writing a bad check to the electric company cause google got all of our money.
I don't understand how this happened.

havok2004

8:19 pm on Nov 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Well atleast it isnt just me, thats comforting i guess. Still quite depressing though.

patient2all

9:24 pm on Nov 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I've learned to avoid certain keywords that attract automated clicks. Where I can check my stats, I see a lot of "mysearch", "kdsearch" and google.pk and know what to avoid even though they also can be the most lucrative keywords.

The new algo is whack, even as it was explained by AWA in another thread. Keywords can be penalized almost from the get go from other advertisers past mistakes or misuse. That just doesn't sit right.

Have noticed clicks up and sales down in some historically more successful campaigns, but not all. I just partnered with a smaller PPC with a good rep and we'll see how that goes for a "trial".

patient2ll

havok2004

11:30 pm on Nov 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thats another thing...I dont see why there isnt an option to just have my keywords run in google, not lycos and whatever partners they have. That is just plain stupid, lycos webcrawler dogpile all that stuff is crap...To me thats the same as content targeting which also sucks. And
I hate that sometimes i check my keywords and see that they arent even running in google, only in the partner sites for some reason...Yes, its all going downhill...

PatrickDeese

11:37 pm on Nov 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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> google.pk

Why would you allow your adwords to run in places like .pk with very low conversion rates and very high rates of fraud?

You can cherry pick the countries in a worldwide campaign, you know.

AdWordsAdvisor

11:47 pm on Nov 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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...I dont see why there isnt an option to just have my keywords run in google, not lycos and whatever partners they have...

This is easily done, per campaign, havok2004. In each campaign, just go to the 'Edit Campaign Settings' page, and un-check the boxes for both the search network and content network, in item #5.

...I hate that sometimes i check my keywords and see that they aren't even running in google, only in the partner sites for some reason...

Most likely a 'too low' daily budget issue, which can cause your ads to not appear every single time you look for them. You may want to either raise your daily budget, or reduce your keyword list.

Also be sure to check the top of the page (above the search results), or pages other than the first page for your ads as well.

AWA

havok2004

12:40 am on Dec 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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AWA,

Well, unfortunately although i dont have content ever checked, i still receive hits from:

miportal.bellsouth.net/s/s.dll?spage=search/results.htm
search.information.com/s/search1i.php?srch=1101503686575626061
www1.sedoparking.com/search/webarchiv.php4
msxml.webcrawler.com/info.wbcrwl/search/web/

etc, etc, etc.

And here are my numbers from this campaign

Search Total 539 3,016 17.8% $0.06 $27.07 1.2 0.00% $0.00 Content Total 0 0 - - - - 0.00%

So yeah i dont know whats up with that..Are these actually content hits, does my account have a glitch or something?

Also, All my campaigns have a daily budget of the $500 max. But i know for a fact that some keywords only show up on partner sites. Christina Aguilera is one example.

Thanks for your reply and let me know what you think...

Havok

havok2004

1:05 am on Dec 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Wow now that i look at it i am getting hits from such worthless sites as

foxnews.com
bellsouth.net

#*$! is this now im really upset..This is clearly part of the reason my ROI is going downhill. Those sites have nothing to do with that campaign. No relevance at all....I just wrote adwords support man that sucks..arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

AdWordsAdvisor

1:14 am on Dec 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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...I dont see why there isnt an option to just have my keywords run in google, not lycos and whatever partners they have...

#*$! is this now im really upset.

havok2004, please see below for instructions on how to opt-out of the search network.

This is easily done, per campaign, havok2004. In each campaign, just go to the 'Edit Campaign Settings' page, and un-check the boxes for both the search network and content network, in item #5.

AWA

havok2004

1:26 am on Dec 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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AWA,

LOL omg what an idiot i am..All this time, that is absolutely amazing! I cant believe it..Obviously I just didnt compute that the search network was anything but google, but that is rediculous, hahaa...Oh man..

Thanks alot AWA

havok2004

skibum

4:30 am on Dec 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If you opt-out of search you lose AOL & folks from AOL often seem to surf with credit card in hand. Sales from those folks can make up for some of the lesser quality partners.

PPCBidder

4:33 am on Dec 1, 2004 (gmt 0)



AWA,

I've understood that search network has been google plus those sites from the get go, but I would argue instinct tells many people that unchecking both boxes essentially 'pauses' the campaign even though that isn't the case. Why doesn't google change the interface to include 3 checkboxes like this:

[] Google.com
[] Search Network
[] Content Network

That would be much more intuitive for the user, and certainly a very easy implement.

havok2004

5:43 am on Dec 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yeah thats what happened to me, for some reason I never even saw Google Plus...above the boxes, even though ive been doing this for a long time...Strange...

nick3131

6:11 am on Dec 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I read a book about adwords that explained this "phenomenon" pretty well. No youre not the first person to see great sales the first couple of days and then everything goes to #*$!. You're suffering from the same thing that alot of other affiliate bidders suffer from, and its non diversifying ads. Beleive it or not people are way more likely to buy something they have never seen before. So the first days that your ads are run chances are the people who are clicking on your ads have never encountered that product. But as the time goes on you have alot of the same people clicking on your ads. To make matters worse someone else just picked up on what youre selling, now youre competing with yourself. SO chances are that visitor who was once totally new to your product already has seen the product but only clicked on your ad because it was new to him. If you've ever shopped online you tend to go through different merchants before making a purchase. Well if they are landing on the same exact merchant from a different ad, guess what, thats bad for conversions.

ClickCash might be the problem here also, however ive never promoted them so i cant speak from experience. But the bottom line here is, monitor your competition. Also use commons sense techniques like, ok i search for "widget" i see this ad, then analyze any possible scenario where your ad might've got the wrong placement. I know it sounds confusing but if you really think about it, the whole thing makes sense.

patient2all

5:05 pm on Dec 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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> google.pk
Why would you allow your adwords to run in places like .pk with very low conversion rates and very high rates of fraud?

You can cherry pick the countries in a worldwide campaign, you know.

Good point, Patrick

70% laziness
30% desire to not discriminate

I remember reading, don't know if it was this forum or another, from the educated class in Nigeria, complaining that many goods can only be gotten there through the Internet, but no one wants their business.

In essense, they were saying "we complain about a few bogus orders", but the same criminals target them at the stoplights for strongarm robberies. And then the honest Nigerians get a double hit not being able to buy on the internet.

Hmmm, altruism vs. (my!) economics? I'll have to think this one over. Thanks!

patient2all

HitProf

12:22 pm on Dec 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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[] Google.com
[] Search Network
[] Content Network

That would still be confusing.
I vote for:
[] Google Search
[] Search Partners
[] Content Network (including search for content partners)

Hmm.. I doubt that last one makes it clearer :)

If Google insists on not making it possible to uncheck Google itself, simply grey out the option.

eWhisper

4:12 pm on Dec 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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FYI - Content search is part of the search network.

This thread has evolved into a list that is very similiar to a thread from April 1, (7 months ago, and the same wish list is still wanted by advertisers...) [webmasterworld.com...]

I would very much like G to make it so we can have a few more choices of where to advertise.

1. Google
2. Google Regional
3. Search partners (these would only be other search engines, they would not be any large sites that happen to have a search engine.).
4. Content Search Partners (these would be large sites (over x visitors/month) that have search engines and content, such as Amazon/CNN)
5. Parked domains
6. Email
7. Content sites (what we think of as AdSense, and allow the use of -negative keywords for domains)
8. Froggle
9. I'm sure there is something I forgot.

PPCBidder

2:31 am on Dec 5, 2004 (gmt 0)



That would still be confusing.

HitProf,

The wording can be debated, the point is there should be at least be 1 more checkbox, representative of ads being served on google.com only.

If Google insists on not making it possible to uncheck Google itself, simply grey out the option.

Right, or require that at least 1 option be checked at all times. (Some people like breaking out content network ads into a campaign on its own, for example)

I also wanted to mention this would entirely be just an interface change, nothing progrmatically would change with adwords itself. User options would be exactly the same as they are now.

havok2004

6:36 am on Dec 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I completely agree. It does make sense, especially for testing purposes, that perhaps someone would want to only have their ad in the search network....I dont know about content, now that im on the subject, have you guys had any success with the modified content ads?