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Google adwords and free rankings

gogle adwords effecting my rankings on google



5:17 pm on May 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Since using Adwords at the begining of this year my free listing rankings on Google have been almost impossible to improve. Before adwords the my listing for the phrase <snip> was ranked on the first page. i have done a lot to improve rankings in the last 5 months, every effort has gone into improving content and optimsationm i have used 'no bad tricks' that google say will be penalised. However my rankings have dropped off considerable and I find it almost impossible to improve

Is there anyone out there who can work out what is happening? My rankig on every search engine that does not use Google is ok? so its strange that the only one that I pay is actually ranking me poorly it at all?

[edited by: Shak at 5:21 pm (utc) on May 10, 2004]
[edit reason] no specifics please. [/edit]


7:59 am on May 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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AdWords does not affect natural search engine rakings. Your site may have been 'sandboxed'. Try a search for this or look in the Google News forum.


8:20 am on May 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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What on earth does sandboxed mean?


8:29 am on May 11, 2004 (gmt 0)


8:47 pm on May 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hi amanet,
Check your site at google with keywords and put seven exclusion operators. LIke keywords -asds -wrwer -wrew -sdfsdf -sdfsd -sdfsd -werwe -werewr. If your site is sandboxed you will come to know.


9:26 pm on May 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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ok, i typed my keyphrase and then -asds -wrwer -wrew -sdfsdf -sdfsd -sdfsd -werwe -werewr

Hey presto! The results returned my site on the front page where it was at the beginning of the year. It only shows one of my domains however and not the most appropriate domain that actually also contains the key phrase!

So what does this mean?

Without the text that you gave me the site does not appear until the 6/7 pages?


9:37 pm on May 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hello all. I'm new to the forum but have been an Adword advertiser for about a year.

Seeing same thing as amanet when I use the exclusions. I reviewed the past strings on the Sandbox theory but am still not clear on how this works.

My site ranked at the top for two years for my particular product/subject matter on Google. However, beginning with a redesign in March, I'm at #41.

I know this is about Adwords, but can I get a little more insight into Sandboxing?


10:46 pm on May 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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"It only shows one of my domains"

If these multiple domains are pushing the same topic and you haven't taken careful steps to seperate them, that could also be your issue.

Tropical Island

12:00 am on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I can confirm that the exclusions bring up our sites at number 1 and 7.

In the normal serps the #1 site is #2 and the #7 site is nowhere. I know that the problem is that these two sites are interlinked however as a service to searchers they can not be otherwise. They are two completely different sites covering different aspects of the same area.

Google has, IMHO, taken too strong an attack on this situation.

We support the 2nd site with AdWords so the effect is minimized.

In answer to the original thread AdWords does not affect placement. We get very good results on the first site that has a small AW program for a few obscure areas in which we don't appear on the first page.


4:49 am on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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What does -asds -wrwer -wrew -sdfsdf -sdfsd -sdfsd -werwe -werewr actually mean?

I have 5 domains that all alias to the same place this seams sensible to me the company name .co.uk and two other industry keywords domains .co.uk and the .com. If this is a problem how do I get around it?

Incidently when using a different keyphrase and -asds -wrwer -wrew -sdfsdf -sdfsd -sdfsd -werwe -werewr my site apears in three positions on the first page and two on the second page linked to 4 of the domain names!

So this is all very good - how do I get out of the Sandbox?


5:13 pm on May 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Has everyone got bored with this subject?

I'm still in big trouble as my client won't pay me because the site does not appear on Google!

Can anyone help me get out of this mess?


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