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Lycos.co.uk frame natural listings with banners

No point trying to get your site into Lycos

         

kapow

3:07 pm on Apr 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Even less opportunity for natural listing. It gets harder and harder for people making sites that don't pay for sponsored listing:

I just heard about this today (spoke to a guy at Lycos) -

If you click one of the natural listings (i.e. not sponsored link) in lycos.co.uk and you go to the site in a lycos frame. Lycos sell the banner space for the frame.

So if you achieve no.1 (or anything else) in Lycos your competitors ads appear above your site in a Lycos frame set. I heard they have only been doing this for about a week.

tigger

3:16 pm on Apr 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I gave up worrying about Lycos when their referrals dropped below Hotbot

kapow

9:46 am on Apr 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Sure, most of my focus is on Google. But it would be nice to have some alternatives.

tigger

9:50 am on Apr 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I agree but it's hard to get any interest in a SE that's hardly used, I can coupe with losing the possible .5% traffic

Bobby_Davro

10:08 am on Apr 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Isn't this move just going to annoy their regular usrs even more? Websites have enough advertising as it is, without Lycos adding yet another banner.

I am surprised that any search engines are still using banners. When was the last time that you clicked on a banner?

kapow

10:50 am on Apr 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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One of my clients just bought one of the Lycos Banners. Don't know if its any good, guess I'll find out now.

Any one else tried buying those horrible banners?

pixel_juice

11:03 am on Apr 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>Don't know if its any good, guess I'll find out now.

Good luck - I think you'll need it ;)

A know a handful of people who've bought banners/adwords thingys etc. on Lycos and they are all now regretting the decision. If you're top of the lycos serps you don't get any traffic, so banners won't be any different.

...although there are huge teams of telemarketers out there who will try to (and probably already have) tell you different...

tosspot17

2:47 pm on May 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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We're bracing ourselves here in preparation for cold callers to be ringing 10 times a day (at least that's what it feels like!).

Does anyone know if they are being sold via resellers? My guess would be Touch PLC/Reach Global/The Purple Circle and the like.

Could be wrong though...

pixel_juice

2:56 pm on May 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>My guess would be Touch PLC/Reach Global/The Purple Circle and the like

Got it in one ;)

sammyp

9:34 pm on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Ive just bought one and yes it was from Touch. Most of my business comes via the internet, which is not the perfect combination bearing in mind my knowledge of internet marketing is limited. My experience so far may interest you, hopefully to the extent that you can give me some words of wisdom. My web site was set up almost as an afterthought. I then stumbled across PPC and bingo, 3 months later 80% of my business came over the net. I seemed to be one of the first in my field to get into PPC and in those days (Makes it sound like years ago but actually only about a year ago), the average bid was around £1. Now the average is around £5 with the best keywords averaging on Overture at £10 and Google about £13. espotting is around £4 (I use over 100 keywords). In other words, despite my original conclusion that the dutch auction that is PPC was bound to accelerate to the extent that it was unsustainable, I have become reliant on it. I admit it, Ive been seduced like a wide eyed spotty teenager in a topless bar. It actual fact, even at £10 per click it is still well worth while if the clicks are genuine. Trouble is they arnt. Before click fraud came to the fore, our stats showed that we converted about 30% of clicks into business. Now, its about 5%. Perhaps our product/service is naff?, no thats not the problem as arrogant as that may sound. Having looked at the logs for the last three days, 80% of visits clicked on to the home page and straight off again. Click Fraud is a problem in itself which I have almost concluded I simply cant solve. I do intend to of course, but it will take time and therefore in the interim period Im more interested in finding other ways to get traffic. Banners are an obvious choice. Whilst it does not have the cash flow advantages of PPC where you only pay when they are on your site, it is nevertheless a fixed and projected cost, so budgeting is a bit easier. This is all assuming of course that it brings the traffic. Which brings me to Lycos. The comments re Lycos concern me, however a crude analysis on the last twelve months (We have had one lycos banner which we paid through the nose for in our even greener days, but thats another story), shows that roughly, and it is rough, the cost per client that has originated from the lycos banner is about 25% of what it would have cost me on PPC as an average across Overture/espotting/google. This is what encourages me to do more of the same. What I would like to know are really two things. Click fraud - what the hell do you do? In fact I have a few questions. I know from my logs what the visiting IP addresses are and people keep telling me to just compare them with my competitors (The armpits that are costing me money, dont mind a fair fight but I object to being kneed in the groin when Im supping my pint). But how do I find out what my competitors IP addresses are? Secondly, I have come across a site called <snip>, which sounds like what I need, but they dont reply to any e-mails. Anyone have any info on them? Click fraud aside, if I am to spend money on banners, skscrapers etc, where is the best place to go for ROI?
I could go on, but I think Ive already given the longest post. Would be very grateful for any advice...please?!

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