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MSN UK - Use Overture or Looksmart?

What makes better sense and has the best ROI?

         

nutsandbolts

9:29 am on Jul 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I need to advertise my new UK E-commerce Web site on MSN UK - but my budget is very limited.

Which is the best value for money? Paying Overture for pay-per-click or thinking long term and stumping up the £149+ for MSN UK inclusion via Looksmart?

Which gives the best ROI? (and, believe me, I hate the term ROI!)

Thanks :)

hurlimann

9:38 am on Jul 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

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It would depend on how much each click cost.

nutsandbolts

9:54 am on Jul 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

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It would never be more then 14p a click.

Let me expand it a little. What gives the best results? As we all know, not every click turns into a sale (shame!) So forget driving traffic and click amounts - what has converted the best for the money?

nicebloke

10:10 am on Jul 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Inktomi?

caine

10:16 am on Jul 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

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always worth having a Looksmart listing, as it prevades beyond LS and MSN, and gets the site into lesser known Engines/Directorys.

Inktomi, via positiontech, is pretty much a necessity, for the less popular terms, and is good for tracking and analysing, key term usage of searchers.

Overture is useful for the competitive terms, that other similar orientated sites fell are worth having their site in the top spot.

I would suggest using certainly Looksmart at least one listing, and as many ink page listings as poss, as this also feeds hotbot.co.uk, and others. Overture is your call, certainly worth signing up and seeing how valuable the key words / terms are to your competitors !

nutsandbolts

10:19 am on Jul 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Thanks Caine, that's sound advice - and thanks to everyone else ;)

IanTurner

10:24 am on Jul 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I have had really good results with Looksmart.co.uk listings, my experience with Overture is less pleasant.

This is with new technology terms, where we get a lot of tyre kickers price comparisons.

NFFC

10:36 am on Jul 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I would go for a looksmart.co.uk listing strongly focused at the core keyword and back that up with 5p overture bids on the less competitive stuff. I think the INK pfi program is overpriced.

Abrexa_UK

1:11 pm on Jul 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

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You might want to hold that Looksmart payment back for a while - see this thread [webmasterworld.com]

nutsandbolts

5:46 pm on Jul 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Oh blimey! Worth waiting a bit then. Think I will tinker with Oversure UK for a bit!

Kevin

11:09 pm on Jul 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

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As it’s a new e-commerce site and limited budget I'd go for Overture. But go deep and wide on the keyterms and use as many marketing techniques as you can - Email address capture, feedback on your site and so on.
I had a client recently who had a very limited budget. Planned their marketing short term and long term. Short term results are very good. Let you know about the long term in September.

Dpeper

12:25 am on Jul 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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<whisper>Go to hotbot UK and submitt your site you will get in to ink about 20-30 days after you do it</whisper>

webdiversity

10:48 am on Jul 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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PPC/PFI/SEO don't you love theose TLA's ? (Three Letter Abbreviations).

E-commerce sites are great for deep exposure as Kevin said. I'd be inclined to go to product specific, which will give you the best conversion rates of clicks/sales. And track the traffic like nobodys business. If a keyword doesn't work then you may have a poorly written creative. If you have a poorly written creative, then you've probably got poorly written titles and descriptions (assuming you did them both!). So neither route will give you as good an ROI as you could get.

A well constructed and managed PPC campaign will give you good results, this will give you the profit to conduct directory submissions, which will give you good long term exposure, and if your e-commerce site works well with search engines then you'll be set for life!

Even now inspite of all the stuff about MSN etc.. I'd still say that BT Looksmart should be a definite Pay For Inclusion. NTL, BT Openworld and Tiscali are not insignificant traffic providers, as is Alta Vista UK. All with the exception of AV are heavly advertising on television here and are benefitting from the upsurge in Broadband subscribers. For £149 plus VAT it's a snip, especially as it is still a one off payment.

Each of the PFI/PPC/SEO models will deliver different things. If you want just sales, then PPC is your best bet, definitely.

hurlimann

10:56 am on Jul 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Dpeper you are out of date, they have pulled the free submit :(

JennyR

11:53 am on Jul 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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No it's still there.

Martin_H

8:56 am on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Personally, I think if you set up an Overture Uk account (pay-per-click) you can get as high a listing as you want on MSN (UK). (Nuff said)

webdiversity

11:36 am on Jul 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Martin,

Personally, I think if you set up an Overture Uk account (pay-per-click) you can get as high a listing as you want on MSN (UK). (Nuff said)

You left off from the end there...... if you are prepared to pay the price

I've just done some quick checks and for "serviced office" top price is close to £15 for #1, "online casino" £10.50 for #1 "personal loan" £8.00 for #1 "hosting" $25.00 on Overture U$

I am so in the wrong line of work!